Catherine Paiz: My Husband Cheated with 20 Women (Full Episode)
Daddy gang, welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. Today I am sitting down with Katherine Pies. If you are a fan of the Ace Family, then you already know exactly what we’re about to get into. But for those of you who may not be as familiar with today’s guest, I’m going to catch you up. Okay. Catherine and her ex-husband Austin McBroom started the Ace Family YouTube channel in 2016. They were essentially the first family vloggers to ever do it and people were so obsessed with them. To this day, they still have 18 million subscribers. Okay, so for years, everyone watched Catherine and Austin’s relationship play out online. We watched them get engaged, have kids, move into new homes, and they documented every aspect of their lives on YouTube. Now, throughout their relationship, there was a lot of controversy. There was financial turmoil, and there were tons and tons of cheating allegations, but to the public, they always put up a united front until they suddenly stopped posting and revealed that they were getting a divorce. For the past about two years, they have been basically not really addressing anything, and there are so many unanswered questions. How often was Austin actually cheating? Was Katherine aware the entire time? What was going on with their finances? And what is the truth behind the drug allegations? So, Daddy Gang, I am excited to give Catherine the opportunity to speak on all of it today in long form for the first time. Let’s get into it. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Catherine Pi, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. Okay, we’ve got a lot to talk about. Obviously, you and your ex-husband Austin McBroom started the Ace Family, which quickly became quite literally the biggest family YouTube channel ever to exist. And then suddenly you guys went dark. And I think everyone has a lot of questions which we’re going to get into, but first I just want to know how are you doing? I’m doing good. I feel like um I’m in a new place in my life and I’m just so excited just to like be free with myself and just be authentic. Um not that I wasn’t authentic before, I just feel like I’m at just a new stage in life. Yeah. You and Austin’s last video together was almost two years ago. I know. I didn’t even know that. Almost two years ago. Okay, that’s crazy. Which is crazy because I feel like for so long people watched you every single day. Like you were on our screens for so long. So to go for 2 years, it’s been a long time. Why are you ready to talk about all of this now? I think for me it’s like I was I felt silenced for so long and it wasn’t like someone was silencing me. I was silencing myself. And I think that for all those years of just not being able to just speak freely and just like really sit with myself. Um it was really hard, Alex. It was really hard. And I think that now I’m just so healed from all of my experiences, not just my relationship, all of the traumas and all the experiences that I faced early on in my life. I’ve just healed so much through all of them. Truly, like actually truly. And I just feel so um alive. I feel like I can really just be myself and it’s okay, you know? It’s it’s okay to be me and sit with myself. And I wrote a book. Yes, you did. I wrote a book about um you know, some of the experiences that I had early in my life um into my you know, into my adulthood. And I think through my healing and through writing of this book, I’ve really just like came back to myself. That’s really beautiful because I think so many people always say like why now to people and I actually was interested to know like why now and I can feel your energy and like I think a lot of people who have been your fan for so long have wanted you to get to this point in your life but I do know a lot of it is a little messy because I just obviously saw some chapters got released of your memoir and then you have your ex-husband Austin coming forward and he’s already commentating on this is a lie, this isn’t truthful, this is exaggerated. How did you feel when you saw him kind of publicly coming out and trying to put down essentially this book? Yeah. I feel like that’s already an indicator of why I never expressed myself, you know, through all those allegations of cheating and infidelity and all those things. It’s like I was so afraid to speak up. I was so afraid to say I’m an idiot. Like I just didn’t see it, you know. Or I was so afraid to say, you know, I’m trying to hold the very little piece that we have in our family. I’m trying to keep that together. I’m trying to shelter the the very little piece that we have, you know, and um for me it was like, you know, I I’m just I’m embarrassed. I don’t know what’s true or not. There are so many things that aren’t true. It’s really hard to like differentiate what is true, what isn’t. Um, until I really found out. Okay, we’re going to go all the way back because I feel like we know you as the Ace Family. We know you as Catherine, a part of the Ace Family, but I think it’s important and you talk about this in your book. I want to just lightly talk about your life before all of this. Describe like what was your experience growing up in your family dynamic? Yeah. So, uh, my mom was born in Nicarawa. My dad is Panameanian. They met in Panama. Uh, they were teenagers when they met. And, um, you know, they had a lot of hardship. Um, they had a very toxic relationship just like any young couple that is new to a country, new language, new everything. They didn’t have family, they didn’t have friends. And so, the first half of my childhood, my dad was a single dad. um my mom uh took herself out of that toxic relationship and moved to Florida. And so um you know I I knew she did that for the best of for the best of the family. And um it’s interesting cuz I’m like I was such a I had such an awareness even as a child that I like knew like she’s doing the right thing. You know what I mean? Like I knew that as a child and I’m like I know my mom is doing this for us, you know, for the bigger picture. Um, my parents didn’t have much money, you know, really nothing. Um, and I had this really weird relationship with money. Like I remember thinking like, you know, my mom would say things like, “We don’t have the money for that or we can’t do that or you know, and I remember looking at her and thinking, I’m going to make a lot of money one day so that I can do all the things that I want to do and I can support you and I can support my family.” And it was like this drive that I had inside of me. So many adults, you get to that place where you’re like, what was lacking in your childhood that then you were craving because whether you had friends that had it or you were told you couldn’t have it, then it’s almost like that goal in your head, which then we’ll get to cuz then you eventually got all of that. And sometimes it doesn’t mean that that is the thing that brings you happiness. But when you’re young and you have this vision, totally, it’s like you’re going to go for it no matter what. Yeah. I I’m interested though hearing you talk about your parents having a toxic relationship. Like how did their marriage impact you at a young age of like how you viewed love? Yeah, hugely. Oh my god, that’s such a good question. You’re so good at this. Thank you. Stop. Um, okay. So, I feel like when my marriage was going downhill, we didn’t have good communication. That’s one thing I, you know, I take full accountability is I had the worst communication. Um, and I’m still working on it today. I think I’ve gotten a lot better. But, um, when I look at my parents, I thought I don’t want to be another couple that doesn’t make it. You know, I want to I want to be I want to have that traditional love. You say your I do and you’re in there for, you know, till death do its part. That was like kind of my the way that I saw it, you know. Um, also having children, you know, you want your children to grow up with both their parents and that was my dream. It’s like I want to be able to have that family and when we had it, you know what I mean? And and I thought, oh my gosh, like I remember one morning I I remember thinking like, did I make it? Like looking around, I remember, did I make it? And I was like, well, why do I feel so empty? Call Her Daddy is brought today. Let’s talk about Austin. Can you tell me how you guys met? Like, how did that all go down? Yeah. Um, I moved to Los Angeles. I had this fuel to move to Los Angeles. I was super excited and I bought a one-way ticket. Um, my friend invited me um to an all-white attire party and I walked in and I saw Austin from across the room. Awesome Mc Broom from across the room. And I looked at him and I thought, I don’t know why, but I feel like I know him. So interesting. And she introduced us and we shook hands and that was it. And then I I took an Uber home and I I didn’t talk to him. So about a month later, he had messaged me on uh I think like Twitter or something. He was like, “Hey, I’d like to send you something.” And I didn’t respond. So, a month went by and then uh he messaged me again and he was like, “Hey, I’d like to take you to dinner.” And I almost didn’t go. I was like, “I don’t know why, but something’s telling me to go, but I’m just like, I don’t know. I don’t know.” And so, um, I’ll never forget that morning he was like, “So, oh,” he goes, “Do you like sushi?” And I said, “No.” He’s like, “Okay, well, me neither, but I got us a res a reservation at uh Nou Malibu.” And I and I said, “Okay, that’s nice.” Like, in my head, I’d never been there before, so I’ll go. So, we go and we’re sitting across from each other, you know, we’re by the ocean and we’re talking. He was asking me a lot of questions about me. I thought that was really nice. You know, he’s a young college student. It was like he was going into his senior year of college playing D1 basketball. And he’s talking and all of a sudden, like I just don’t hear anything. And I’m like, “Oh my gosh, that is a person that I’m going to have children with and that is a person that I’m going to marry.” And I knew it in that moment. Like nothing could tell me otherwise. What was it about him? It was just a feeling. It was just this feeling. It’s like this inner knowing. And I thought, I just know it’s him. Okay. You write about in the book that the first time you have your first kiss is the same day that you both also say I love you. Mhm. Were you nervous at how fast it was moving? No. No. Why? Because it was just meant to be. I saw this thing recently. Um I don’t I don’t know who said this. I I’ll find out and let everyone know, but um she said when you meet the one or when you meet someone that you’re meant to be be with, you skip the dating phase. So, it’s like we just went from like meeting each other to being like we’re married kind of thing. You know what I mean? Who said I love you first? He said it first. Did you say it back immediately? Immediately. And so it didn’t freak you out at all. You didn’t feel like it was like love bombing at all. You were just like this is this is it. This is it. If you had to pinpoint it back then, what do you think was different about Austin compared to all the other guys that you had dated? Well, one, he doesn’t care what anybody thinks. And I think I find that so attractive and I feel like that’s like my inner self is like I don’t give a [ __ ] what anyone thinks. But he was like that person for us in our dynamic, you know, taught me a lot. Um I also think, you know, he’s very um he’s just very motivated. He’s a very motivated person. Um and I just I was just so attracted to the fact that he was so free with himself. And I never met anyone like that. Actually, the only person that I know close to him is my brother. And I always said, “Oh my god, you and my brother need to meet because you guys are so much alike.” How soon into your relationship did you get pregnant? Like 2 months. It was so quick. Oh wow. It was so quick. What was your reaction? What was Austin’s reaction? So, it’s interesting because the day before we found out, we were at a restaurant and his friend just had a baby. So, he showed me the newborn photos and I was looking down. I was like, “Oh my gosh, like would you would you want to start a family one day?” He’s like, “Yeah, I like I would love to have kids one day.” He’s like, “You know, maybe in the future, you know, and he goes, like, we’ll start a family one day.” And I was like, “I like I know like I feel it, you know. I feel I feel a family for us.” Just I just knew it. Um, but I didn’t know he was pregnant already. How did you tell him? He was right there in the room. I I He was in the room. He was sitting on his belly, you know, scrolling on his phone. And I I I thought, “Yeah, I feel feel nauseous. You know, I feel kind of sick.” And he thought, “Oh, maybe we should take a pregnancy test.” And I’m thinking like I’m nothing’s going to happen. And I took the test and immediately I stood up. I didn’t even think about it. I just stood up. Hey. And I threw threw the stick at him by like close to him on the bed. And he’s looking at he’s like I’m like, “Yeah, I think we’re pregnant.” And he’s and it was the the lines were very faint, so we couldn’t tell for sure. But just his reaction. Yeah. And just the way I slept I slept so good that that night. I didn’t think about it. I’m thinking we’re good no matter what. you started this YouTube channel obviously shortly after that she was born. How did you guys decide to do this? So when he was um in college for that last year um I decided to move in with him. I was pregnant for that whole year. And he had a a roommate, like someone that was kind of there just to help with that last year of college because he was playing, you know, D1 basketball and he was still going to school and then, you know, I was pregnant. And so he was kind of just there to like keep tabs and make sure that everything was good. And he was the one that said, “Hey guys, like you guys should really start a YouTube channel.” And he’s like, “You know, your videos are going viral on Facebook and people are making money off of them.” And I’m thinking like, “What?” Yeah, cuz we would make like cute little homemade videos, you know, of him talking to my belly or just us being funny and goofy or whatever. And he’s like, “People are taking your videos and monetizing your videos. Why don’t you guys make your own videos?” And I thought, “Can we do that? You can make money off your videos.” I’m like, “What? Like that’s so crazy.” And um at the time, you know, his dreams were to play in the NBA. and that summer um you know he he he got with the wrong agent and he did a couple tryyouts you know one with the Lakers one with the Knicks um and just it didn’t work out and we thought what are we going to do like either you go play overseas uh in Greece or something we move the B we go the as a family and and but nothing is you know in set in stone like we don’t know what that looks like and so then that’s when we were like let’s start YouTube back in the beginning once El was born. Whose decision was it to make her a part of the content? It just came naturally. Yeah, because I didn’t film my birth with L. It was like, you know, we just private, you know, just I mean, we filmed on our phone, you know, we weren’t making a vlog. And I think like it just made sense because we are so hands-on with our child and we my I was not going to get a nanny. I’m like, I’m going to raise my daughter, you know? I’m I’m finally have my daughter here, you know. And I thought, well, we can make contact with with our daughter, you know, we can just naturally organically share our journey. Did you have any hesitations in the beginning or later on about putting your kids on camera? Never. And you know why, Alex? Because back in the day, it was really new. Like YouTube, it’s been a thing for a while, but we were really like that. like I hate to say the word, but I feel like we kind of pioneered that like family vlogging experience, you know what I mean? It’s like we were the first to do it at that magnitude in that way. And it was like I it was like when this monster of like social media was starting, you know, sometimes I think back and I’m like, “Oh my god, am I part of that this craziness that’s going on now in the world?” Do you know? Cuz obviously I’m sure you’ve seen it, but like there are people that accuse you and Austin of exploiting your kids. Like what do you say to that? Yeah. I just think that like when we first started it was so pure. It was like pure intentions. It was like obviously we want to make a living, you know, like anyone wants to make a living. You got to work. But it was more like we’re just being present with our family, our daughter. And it’s interesting cuz we would make these elaborate videos and we found out very early on that people enjoyed our family vlogs, our simple family vlogs sitting on the floor. Those would get more views than our like big elaborated videos we would spend money on and doing. So it was just like well people just want to see us. They just relate to us. Maybe they see themselves in us. So much of your success is through your children. Did you guys have a big conversation about setting them up with money and like putting money away for them or was it more just like it’s all the families? Yeah. No, they have their separate bank accounts. Um actually very early on in my career, I think 2017 when L was about a year old, we got her a bank account, you know. Um yeah, I think that those were the conversations and things we were having. Um but in terms of like exploitation and stuff like that never crossed our mind. That was like like I don’t I just feel like we were just the beginning of something new. How do you feel about it now? You know, we’re in the age of technology and you know it’s like there’s no right or wrong. I don’t think like I think that like if people choose to keep their private certain private things away from social media that’s beautiful. And I think that if some people choose to do it the opposite way, I think that that’s beautiful, too. I think that everything’s meant to be the way that it’s meant to be. Once you guys kind of started really becoming yourselves and people know knew the Ace Family like on a good month, can I ask like how much were you guys making? So there was a period we were making like we were making seven seven figures a month. Um, to me it it was like I was numb to it truly. Like it didn’t make it it was just like it doesn’t make any sense. I was going through this phase in my life where I just felt so disattached. And now I look back and think, “Oh my god, I would have done so much with that. I wouldn’t have invested. I would have bought my mom a house, my dad a house. I would have done this, this, and that.” And it’s like we we just didn’t have the right mentors. We didn’t have the right tools, you know? We didn’t have we had a lot of yesmen around us and we just made really bad business decisions along the way. Once you guys started filming everything all the time, when did it start to feel like you weren’t just filming parts of your life, but you were living to film and get content? Like when do you think that switch happens? Cuz I feel like for a lot of creators, yeah, it happens. Oh my gosh. Yeah, there was moments where I’m like because you know like big reveals and stuff like people want to watch those. That’s a great clickbait. And so um you know it was genuine for a long time. It was like okay like he’s genuinely surprising me. He’s genuinely proposing to me. Like it was like wow like this is so crazy that we can capture such a big milestone, big moment and we can actually look back on it too like it’s filmed. Um, but then also having so many eyes on you. I didn’t know back in the day, back in the now I know, but I didn’t know that I was not protecting myself. But the moment that um I realized where I I don’t know if this is real or not real, I don’t know. Um, that must have happened genuinely. There was like a big moment for me. It was when my second daughter was born. Um, I just felt this disconnection and it was like I actually don’t want to film this, but like I know that people are waiting for it because they’ve invested so much and there was this fine line of like do I put my foot down and just like live in the moment or do I also So, and then he was holding the camera so it made it easier but then it was like is he here though? Is he present? So that that was like a big moment for me. And did you end up releasing a video? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How did you feel about it? I was just like really numb and empty at the time. Yeah. Did you ever find that you started to not be clear if Austin was doing romantic gestures for you because it was he was filming it so it would look good for you guys as a couple or were you like wait is he actually doing this romantic gesture and he just happens to be filming? Oh, uh, totally. Yeah, there was moments where I’m thinking like I don’t know like you really surprise me, you know, or it’s like and then it was like me kind of having to follow with that like surprise and then I’m like I feel like I’m a clown in a circus. You know what I mean, right? Cuz you couldn’t just naturally be like like if if my husband surprises me, of course I’m going to be surprised, but then you kind of like chill for a second after wait, when did you think of this? But you have to you see the camera. So then it’s like keep it going. Call the kids down. Get everyone around. Let’s run to the backyard. And it’s like you’re a production and it’s theatrical. Mhm. Which feels like you probably were on this hamster wheel where it’s like you can’t get off this ride almost and you did you and Austin ever have a conversation being like let’s set boundaries of like what we should keep private and what we shouldn’t. There might have been moments where we kind of talked about, but to be honest with you, not really. Like I just we didn’t have that communication within ourselves. Yeah. In the book, you write that Austin made a lot of financial decisions without asking you and that it was so extreme. You would check your bank accounts and see six figures missing. Where was all the money going? Yeah, there was moments where, you know, I’d see some money coming out and it was, you know, to pay this, pay that, and it was like I didn’t feel like I was having that like wife, like that partner, that husband and wife conversation about our finances and it would be heartbreaking to look at the bank cuz I was very well aware of what was in there and it’s like where where did that go? Like what what’s happening? or like um one thing as well it’s like little things that you know things that I would never think to pay for like um like a private jet for instance you know that personally for me wasn’t something I would ever do like if I had never met him I would have never been on a private jet today I’m like probably never you know because I’m thinking like I’ll just take a regular flight but um little moments like that but it it seems which makes me sad for you because I feel like that unfortunately is a lot of people’s experience where you’re like I didn’t feel like it was a partnership when it came to finances and yet you were 50/50 and making all this money. Like did you ever go to him and be like Austin I feel a little bit in the dark here like we need to have Yeah, for sure. And how did he react when you would bring that up? Oh, you know, I’m sorry. You know, I didn’t want you to worry. And I don’t know. I just feel like, you know, I I get it. But it’s like that’s not what a marriage is about. A marriage is about talking about these very deep things that really affect like our children and our future and like you know when you make certain investments the goal is to make at least make your money back you know and so um that was really stressful for me that really caused a lot of a stress and strain in our relationship. That’s what I was wondering because I know you write a lot about the home foreclosure that you guys went through which was so public and so many people were talking about it of like are they broke? What’s happening? And you put a lot of the detail beautifully in the book but like overall when you look back at that moment in your life what did losing that house represent to you? So leading up to that moment, um we I felt like there was a lot of things that I was losing control over, right? My family, my relationship, um our career, everything, right? There was a lot of narratives and things that were being said and I and you know, I kept I was really strong and I was like, you know, I’m going to be strong and you know, um I’m going to keep fighting and we have our home, you know, we have our home. We our kids are happy, they’re healthy, we’re healthy, everything’s fine. And so one day I wake up and I get a phone call. It’s my father-in-law. He said, “Kather, the house is under forclosures. It’s all over the news.” And I’m like, “What do you mean? What do you mean?” He goes, “Well, your loan ended and no one’s going to It’s a jumbo loan. No one’s going to accept you. You don’t have the certificate of occupancy.” But I’m like, “But I’ve been paying the mortgage every month for 3 years. Everything we What do I need to do? What do we need to pay? I I’ll I’ll save it. What What do we need? There’s nothing you can do. It’s under forclosure. It’s gone. You have a 30 days to move out.” Oh my god. Yeah. And it was heartbreaking. I I cried an ocean. And it’s crazy because out of all the things that were happening in that era, that was the thing that really broke me because I was looking for a home my whole life. It’s like I just wanted to feel like I’m at home. Can you explain to me because I’m sure people are really confused and want a little bit of clarity on like there was so much going on behind the scenes obviously that people didn’t know like what was it really like between you and Austin when the cameras were off. When the cameras were off I wouldn’t say that there was much of a change. I think if anything at least I can speak for myself I feel like I was pretending. You know what I mean? It’s like I feel like I was just so disconnected from myself. Not like everything around me, but like within myself, you know? And I was like, all of this happened so fast. Like I gave birth, we started a YouTube channel. It grows overnight. I’m a new mother. I’m newly married. Um there’s all these these eyes on us. Um, there’s so many people that want thing from things from us and you know, it just it was just a lot of things. And so when the cameras were off, it was more like I’m just going to sit here and breastfeed my baby and just like scroll on my phone. Like I never went out. I never hung out with my friends. I hardly saw my family. I was in a really dark place. Let’s talk about the cheating allegations. Mhm. So over the years there were so many different allegations of Austin cheating on you and it was a pretty constant conversation online for a couple years. At first, how much attention were you giving to these rumors? And did you even believe them when it first started? When it first started, my heart sank. I’m like, “Oh my gosh.” Like I remember like sitting with myself. Oh my gosh. Like is this going to happen? You know, and then it was like, “Oh, well, I I see him. I’m with him every day. Like, we’re co-parenting. We’re married. We’re business partners. I mean, when is he going to have time? But it’s really interesting. I was telling my mom the other day, I remember when I was 16 years old and I walked into a a room with the the TV was on and there was um it was that talk show uh Tyra Banks and there was a lady who said, “If a man has enough time to go into the bathroom, he has enough time to cheat.” And it just stuck with me and I thought, “Does he have enough time to cheat on me?” You know what I mean? Um, and so that was kind of like the beginning. It’s like I don’t know what’s true or not. And you know, and I’d even have moments where we’d be laying in bed, you know, just falling asleep and I’d get a text from a random number. Your husband is out at a party with me, da da da, and I’m thinking like, he’s right over here. So some there’s moments I didn’t know what to believe. There’s some things that are true. There’s some things that are distorted. There’s some things that are not true. So it was really hard to tell. And in those moments, did you cuz I know you’re kind of saying your communication wasn’t great when the allegation started. Did you bring it up to him at all or was that another thing that you guys kind of were like, “Yeah, no, no, no. I brought it up.” And what was his response in the beginning? Oh, you know, that comes with a territory and let’s not respond because we’re just going to add fuel to the fire and it’s not true. And I’m like, “Okay.” You know, and and you trusted him. I did. Yeah, I really trusted him. When you look back at the very beginning, like the very beginning allegations, do you believe even then he was cheating? No. Can you take me to the moment where you found out about he was cheating? And then we’ll dial it back to like all the others. But the first big moment you were like, “Oh [ __ ] he’s cheating. Where were you? What happened?” In our hectic, fast-paced lives, we could use some slowing down. Hogand is made to be savored and enjoyed slowly. Introducing new Hog and Daw Belgian waffle cones. A completely new experience that’s worth slowing down for. Daddy gang, you’ve never had cones like this before. Okay. They’ll take crunch to a whole new level. Each crispy waffle cone is filled with the velvety smooth ice cream that Hogen is known and loved for. Then it’s finished with delicious toppings and a decadent bite of sauce waiting for you at the bottom of the cone. Okay. Hogandaw’s Belgian waffle cones come in four delicious flavors. Vanilla salted caramel, summer berry, triple chocolate fudge, and toasted almond fudge. Boom. Sign me up. You guys know that I have the most hectic days at the office. So, when I get home, I love to grab a little treat, toss my phone away, and take a minute to myself. These cones are a must-have in my freezer. I’m obsessed with the summer berry flavor. It’s fruity and it’s sweet and seriously it always hits the spot. It’s the perfect way to end a long long long stressful day. Ice cream just always hits the spot for me and these Hogandawas cones are truly the perfect treat. Savor your moment of slow with new Hogen Belgian waffle cones available at retailers nationwide. The first big moment you were like, “Oh [ __ ] he’s cheating. Where were you? What happened?” Yeah. So, there was a couple there was like kind quite a few moments, but there was a couple of moments where I was like I’m heartbroken. Like um the first one, let’s go to the first one. So, you know, I don’t remember exactly the first first moment because I feel like there’s just so many. But, um there was this one moment I had just had my daughter, my second daughter. She was about 6 months old or something. and he was like, “Hey, I have to go to Miami for a meeting and and I go, please.” And I’m, you know, I’m the type of partner where I love for my partner to feel free, like I trust you. Go. You want to go on a trip, you want to go boys trip, whatever you want to do, go. Like, that’s just my personality. Now, I look back, I’m thinking, look, I should change should change some things up a little bit and care a little bit more. But at the time, I just had a baby. I was tired. I was filming every day. I had another baby, taking care, changing diapers, breastfeeding. I breastfeed all my kids 5 years straight. Wow. So, um, super exhausted, super tired, you know, and so he said, “I want to go to Miami.” And I said, “You know, you go you go on your trip.” And I remember calling my mom and my mom saying, “I would never let my husband leave when my baby’s just a couple months old. Like, you’re I don’t know. You’re different.” And I’m thinking, “Oh, well, I don’t know.” I was like, you know, I think he deserves it. He’s been working so hard. He edits. People don’t realize he edited every single video on our channel. We didn’t have an editor. So, I thought, you know, he deserves to go out. Like, it’s okay. He wants to go on a business trip, whatever. I remember that business trip like it was yesterday that business trip he called me quite a few times where I felt like you’re calling me a little too much like I was just like I don’t know like it’s okay go have fun you know and he pocket dialed me accidentally and I heard women in the back there a couple women and I thought okay well okay well I guess my husband’s hanging out with women I’m thinking whatever hung up the phone continued my day a couple Months go by and this uh blonde male makeup artist makes this video on YouTube talking about my husband and how he was in Miami and there was this group of people and there was all these girls and there was this boat and all these and to be honest with you till this day I never watched the video but I have gotten that like information from some good friends who watched it for me and were able to like process it for me and help me process it And I was pregnant in that moment and I had to I had to listen to that and I nobody knew I was pregnant. I was having my son and I and I remember balling and thinking is this true? And even if it’s not true, why are people saying this? this is like so detailed and like and I believed you know I didn’t believe the horrors but it was like am I am I just being stupid right now? Like am I just really not sitting with this or am I do I do I vindicate him? Do I vindicate our family? Do and that’s what I did. And I think back at my old self. I think I poor girl. Like I wish I could hug her today. Like she was just going through so much. And she um the old version of myself just wanted to protect that little piece we had in the family, you know, and I would see it in his eyes and I’m thinking like I don’t know, like something’s not right, but I’m going to have a baby and I have to focus on the baby right now. So I wasn’t sure, right? And that was a big moment for me because there was some things that were being said that just it just made a lot of sense. It was all adding up. You know what I mean? And did you confront him? Yeah, I did. But not in a way where I was like it was more like how do we fix this because this is not true. And he’s like yeah that’s not true. da da da that’s you know what this guy and he’s making things up and oh my god he’s trying to extort me and this and that and you know some of those things were true some of them weren’t and I thought how do we fix it and I was I was just lying to myself I knew deep inside something didn’t feel right but then a couple months later I was um we were filming uh this thing called Vlogmas on YouTube people film every day for the month of December and we had done it you know um it was like a a commentary I remember we would do every winter and um this was in December and I was, you know, at that point I was about 3 months pregnant with my son. I didn’t know I was having a boy yet. So I, you know, I was pregnant. I wore baggy shirts and like, you know, like I’d wear bigger shirts cuz I didn’t want anyone to know yet. I wanted to keep it to myself, especially cuz there was all this like negativity going around about him. Yeah. So I’m like, I’m just going to keep this to myself. And then there was this moment that changed everything for me. Um, we Oh, I had a dream. I have a lot of dreams. Very symbolic. I’m sure you do, too. Yeah. I had a dream where I was walking into my bedroom. The the bedroom I was sleeping in. We had this massive long 10-ft bed. I’m walking into the room and there’s this he’s sitting in the bed and there’s a woman with this beautiful blonde hair and I just see the back of her and she turns around and she’s this demon. And I woke up from that nightmare and I was I was crying. I was like, “Oh my god, that was the worst nightmare I’ve ever had.” Like I literally there was a demon on my bed and the whole day felt eerie. It was so eerie. It was so weird and I didn’t tell anybody and I was just like that’s so weird. Couple of hours later, we start filming and we go to um this um studio to get my daughter’s first haircut. She was a year old. was just getting her first haircut and he, you know, um our assistant um who was Austin’s friend from back in the day was there. It was Austin and myself and our daughter. And when we walked in, you know, there’s some fans and they were like, “Can we take picture?” And I’m like, “Yeah, yeah, like let’s finish filming you doing this and we’ll take the photo.” So, they’re all waiting there and you know, everyone in the salon knows who we are and stuff. So, it was just, you know, a regular moment. We’re there filming. He’s filming um our daughter’s first haircut and I’m kind of like I’m taking photos for myself for my phone, you know, like oh my gosh. Like taking the photo and then like a movie, my camera, I mean, my uh phone dies. It just goes black. And I look at him without a thought and I go, “Give me give me give me your phone. Give me your phone. Let me take a photo.” Cuz you know, we’re going to miss the moment. She’s getting her first haircut. As soon as my hand grabs that phone, mind you, I had never never looked in his phone. Ever. Ever. Never. I grabbed the phone and it felt kind of weird cuz I’m like holding his phone, right? Like it just felt odd because I knew maybe there had maybe things he was hiding. I didn’t want to look. Y as soon Alex as soon as I grabbed the phone. No. Like out of a movie, this long text comes through. if you really love your wife, you wouldn’t be da da d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d and I I like my my brain scanned it, but I wasn’t able to read it fully. But in that moment, my heart drops. I’m pregnant. There’s people watching us. The camera’s on. It felt like it it just felt surreal. The assistant looks, notices, looks at him. He grabs the phone from me and instantly deletes the message. And I thought, “Oh my gosh, it’s true. Oh my god. Yeah. And I was calm, very calm. And we, you know, we paid and we finished. I I I wasn’t in my body anymore. My like I wasn’t on earth anymore. We walk out of the um store or the salon and I said, “Austin, who was that?” And he’s like, “It’s somebody. It’s it’s nothing. Please tell me who that was.” I saw the text and I I kept replaying what I could have done. Should I ran to the bathroom? Like should I like take like I’m like what should I have done? Tackle him and read it. No. Like I was like I didn’t get to fully read it. But you saw enough that it said if you really love it emotional I I saw enough to know instantly this is an emotional relationship he’s having with somebody. This is a woman that is having a relationship with my husband. And we got in the car and you know then my voice got a little who was that? Oh, lower your voice. The kids and I’m like okay. And I’m calming myself. The kids are in the car. Let’s like I mean it’s have grace, right? It say strong poised get home. We get home blacked out. I was like yelling screaming tell me please please just tell me who that was. Please, just I feel so stupid. Just tell me. I’m having a baby. Please, just tell me. And I ran out of the house. I got in my car and I just started driving. And I didn’t know where I was driving. Just driving. Crying in ocean balling. I couldn’t even see where I was driving. And I thought, I need to park somewhere. So, I went to a park, parked at the park, put my hands on the wheel, and I said, “God, if you hear me, please tell me what to do.” And in that moment, it’s so interesting because um I knew that one day I’d have a son and that I would name him Steel. There was like this inner knowing. And when I had that conversation with God and I I was really just like just like a a point of just I’m surrendering. Just tell me what to do. And I heard this voice and it was like you are having your son. There’s a reason you named him Steel. You have to stay strong for this whole pregnancy and just don’t make any impulsive decisions. Just keep going. Just keep this in the back of your mind. It’s going to it’s it’s going to live there and it’s going to it’s going to you’re going to see everything’s going to make sense, but don’t make any big decisions right now. And I went home and I acted like nothing. Wow. I acted like nothing. I was you know I was I didn’t talk to him for a couple days. I think that was the longest we had ever gone without talking since we met. I think I think we met like 2 three days. Um and then um I texted him and I was like, “We need to talk.” And we went we we took a drive. We met in the middle of a street and we got in the car and he told me who she was and he showed me and I was like, “Okay, so that was the girl you were talking to a couple months back. Now it’s all making sense. It’s like you said you were talking to a girl that needed help with Snapchat and I’m thinking like why is a married man talking to a woman about Snapchat? Like Snapchat wasn’t even monetized in the day. Like what are you talking about? Like what are you doing? Like okay this is making sense. Okay this is making sense. Okay so I thought okay well what do we need to do? Like h how can we how can we move on from this? Like what do we do? Like I was like and I didn’t tell him this at the time, but I thought I can forgive him because he’s crying out for help. And I can I because at the time I was I wasn’t religious. I still not religious, you know? I’m I’m I believe in Christ, but I’m not bound by like religious um structures. But I was very like you stick to your husband. I was very like traditional in that sense. And I don’t know who made me like that, but I was just that way. And I thought, okay, maybe I can forgive him, you know. And so as the days went on, you know, then we went to um a trip to Hawaii. Someone said we should go there because, you know, that’s where the heart chakra of of the planet is and you know, maybe we can get some healing. And so we went to Hawaii and then that’s when I had posted that I was pregnant. Thinking like I’m getting bigger now. I need to post and yeah, it’s it’s a it’s a secret that I was carrying inside of me and I wanted to like scream out loud that I was going through this but I couldn’t. Listening to you say this though, Catherine, like so many times now you’ve said the minute you find out, you’re like, “How can we fix this? How can we fix this?” And I think it does connect to what you’ve been saying of like you’re on this hamster wheel. You’re out of your body. You’re all of this happened to your life and you’re just going and you can’t even like stop to be like, “Are you okay?” Like, do you It’s almost like you It sounds like you weren’t even like feeling like you were just like, “How do we fix this?” It’s like almost like your business. You’re like, “How do we fix this and move forward? How do I stay by my man and move forward?” I’m wondering though when you’re saying all this, like is he apologetic in the car when he’s speaking or is he keeping it more like brushing it under the rug? It’s not that big of a deal. I’m going to be honest with you. It never felt apologetic ever. Yeah. And you know what’s interesting is um even through our divorce, even through everything, I never heard him say the words I cheated until about a week ago when that first chapter of my book came out. I’ve never heard him say the words, “I cheated.” And when I heard the words, I was like, “Oh my god, finally I heard it. Thank you so much. That was all I was waiting for. Thank you. That’s all I needed to hear. You could have just said it to me. You could have just been honest with me and just told me, but it was like I was being gaslighted like it like it wasn’t actually happening. And it was like and um yeah, I think that finally hearing those words was so healing for me because it’s like I wasn’t going crazy. Like it was everywhere. Everyone was saying it. Why do you think he decided to finally say those words? Just because you were officially calling him out that and because now I understand the bigger the whole picture. I get it. Um I think a common theme for him was um because if you really think about it, what kind of woman sleeps with a married man whose whole identity is based on being a married man and having a being a family man, you know? I was I kept thinking I kept going through those things as well is like women are really like that like women and so um what I was thinking was um he must have been telling this woman that I didn’t care and in that video he he posted last week um out of everything he said I mean everything was false right uh or distorted or whatever but but the one thing he said that really really just like it was like a like a punch to the gut was that he said that I was that yes, I cheated and she was okay with it as long as um he said as long as I said you don’t embarrass me. And that is not true. I never ever said that. I would never say that. And I would never want my kids to think that that is okay to cheat on your husband or your wife. and I will make sure that I raise them and that they know that they never ever do that because that is so wrong and you never cheat on the person you love and I would never in a million years say that. So that was really hurtful that he that he said that because I’m like are just accept it. People would understand that better. He’s putting the blame back on you. That’s him taking no accountability. Think about that. The first time he acknowledges that he cheated, the end of his sentence, he can’t just say, “I cheated.” Yes, I cheated because she told me, “Just don’t make me look dumb.” Aka, you were allowing him to go and have all these relationships and you’re sitting here being like, “I would never, Alex. I would never do that.” And I think now also understanding like how you write in the book you kind of talk about like once the first you really got the concrete evidence then more came out like how many more did you find out about? I know like I know personally of women like I like don’t know them personally like as I’m I’m friends with them but I know who they are and I would never say their names never never never I would never you know I’m not that kind of person but I know of many um many as in like I know for sure of three like for sure for sure. Have they ever reached out to you? No, but they’re out there in the world acting like that never happened probably. And I know the truth. How many do you think there are? I don’t know. I I saw some headline things saying he said there was 20 or something. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I cuz I didn’t watch his full video, but um I don’t know if he did say that. Kind of trying to cover himself. Yeah. Um because I think when he saw um the beginning the the first chapter of my book, he thought maybe that I wrote a lot more about him, but I kind of didn’t in a sense. Like to be honest with you, it’s a memoir about my life. Um but I will say that when you write a book, you always put the um the hardest part of your journey in the beginning of the book, right? To catch the reader, to really draw them in. That’s just something that as writers is common. And so um he really got it backwards. I want to ask you, there were some like viral cheating rumors that I want to just like get your opinion on. Mhm. Tana Mojo recently revealed that she covered for Austin after you found lipstick in Austin’s car. What really happened there? So, she she covered for him, which I believe that is probably true. definitely happened because um I remember we had a Lamborghini at the time. I never drove that car and I got in one day um as a passenger and I noticed there was a lip uh lip liner lip lip liner or lip gloss something like that and it wasn’t mine and I thought and I I grab I’m like who’s this? He’s like, “Oh, um, so and so got in my car the other day and you know, his girlfriend was on the lap and I drove them down the street to get into their car.” And I just I I’m like, “I don’t believe you.” Like, at this point now, I’m I’m I don’t believe you, right? He’s like, “I’m going to call him right now.” And so I guess she was there. And um yeah, I think you know um I think her publicly talking about that is hurtful. Why didn’t you call me? Message me. Tell Oh, hey girl. I was there on that phone call. I just want to let you know, you know, that wasn’t true. It was also rumored that Austin would hire nannies so he could sleep with them when you weren’t around. Do you know if this is true? No, we never had a nanny. Never had a nanny. Grandma. Okay. Um, did you ever get confirmation if the infamous yacht orgy happened? Yes, I actually did. Yeah. Wow. And that was when he butt dialed you that weekend? That was that weekend? Yeah. How did you get confirmation? Through a friend who’s married to a guy that was physically there. Wow. Yeah. years later, by the way. Yeah. When it didn’t matter anymore, it just like I was like, “Oh, really? Oh, okay. That’s surpris to me, right?” You’re like, “Shit, I guess it did happen.” Did Austin really bring his mistress to a charity event you guys threw together at the Staple Center? Yeah. So, there was this girl um the girl that I I was talking about earlier, the one with the long text. So, that was her. Since that information came to light, Austin has completely denied it. Said he would have never brought a girl there. That never happened. And like what do you say to that? To me, it’s like why lie about that? But now I know like you can lie about a lot of things that aren’t true. So I’m like okay well because the thing is is that I knew that writing this book there would be some kind of like retaliation or some some things that are said. I knew that you know something would come from this obviously because you know I’m wrote a book. Um, I didn’t know what magnitude that I wasn’t aware of. But it’s interesting because I I saw it and I thought this this is not me, you know, like this is I’m past that. Mhm. Like I truly feel like it was a test. Truly, it’s like you Austin, you could have handled that differently. You know, you could have said, I saw I saw, see, she has a book out, you know, and and one of the things he said is I didn’t tell him about the book. The thing is when you go through a divorce, you don’t really tell someone what you’re doing. You know what I mean? And I had been promoting the book for actually for 2 years I’ve been talking about it. So, he had seen it. Um, I think if I would have mentioned the book to him privately, he may have want to try to stop me from doing it. So, it was just something I didn’t I was doing me, you know. Um but yeah, I think that [Music] um him he he could have handled it differently. He could have said, you know, I just saw that Catherine, you my ex-wife, she has a book out and he could have said something along the lines of, you know, although I don’t totally agree with what she said, you know, there’s I guess there’s always different sides of the story and I wish her well and I’m not proud of the things I did, but we’ve both moved on and whatever. Yeah, I just feel like the staple center moment for him to try to say that wasn’t true. It’s like again Austin trying to reclaim this narrative because specifically that I think because there’s footage of you and your family and it was such a core of who you guys were totally to the world, it makes him just look like an absolute [ __ ] monster to like you if you’re going to cheat, can’t you just go do it in private? like you have to put Catherine and your children through this and so I think it must be him trying to reclaim the narrative a little bit and like litigate like well no I didn’t bring her here but I brought her it doesn’t [ __ ] matter. Well the crazy thing is it did happen and that’s where I found out all the lies. So like that moment was a significant moment in my life. So, of course, I’m going to talk about it if that was life-changing for me because I was pregnant when all of these things were going on. And I got confirmation from one of his family members saying, “I told him not to bring that girl.” And D. And I’m thinking like, “What? You knew too?” Like, I’m thinking like, “Oh my gosh.” Like, I’m just being blindsided over here. Like, I had no idea. like truly like, “Yeah, I’ve been seeing the rumors and the narratives, but oh my gosh, like why can’t you tell me like why don’t you talk to me?” Like, was this before or after the text incident that you That was uh around the same time. Okay. So, that’s when it all started to like come out and then to go to this event and have that woman there and now he’s trying to say no. Okay. Austin recently tried to justify all of his cheating by saying you guys weren’t having sex. What was your sex life like at the time? Yeah. So, um sex intimacy is very very sacred to me. Like more today than it has ever been. Um, when I found out that there was cheating, I checked out and I said, “My body is a temple, and I refuse to allow anybody to come near my temple if he he cannot be honest and truthful and loyal.” And it was like, I’m checked out. And it is true. And I actually I wrote it in the book. I I put the same exact put four years. It was four years. It was actually more like five years if you think about it because um five years of what of not being intimate with him because um just just to be completely transparent and honest because I do feel like a lot of women and men can relate to this. But um I was going through a lot of postpartum, you know, your body changes, you know, breastfeeding and you’re taking care of multiple children. And so um we um we had my daughter and then we had you know I was pregnant that whole year and you I was the cheating allegations all the things and I thought you know I don’t know and then I got pregnant with my son and I’m thinking like maybe we can make this work you know maybe this is not what it all seems to be and you know we had just moved into our new house and we’re like you know maybe maybe we can have a the family that we’re always meant to have you know the family that were portrayed to the world. You know, maybe you can really be that. Mhm. And I got pregnant and then that was the And then I found out he was cheating on me and that was it. That was a never never ever ever like never again. Never again. Mhm. And did he pursue you at all? Like did he try? No. And that’s how I knew that there was cheating going on. Right. Yeah. And you know, now now I know how that’s not normal. At the time I thought, you know, we’re going through a lot. You know, there’s a lot of bad things happening around us. You know, we have children, you know, and we’re overworked and we’re tired and we’re stressed and we we’re anxious and all these things. And now I think back I’m like even when I would like we would kiss it just it was a disconnection and I thought this isn’t my husband. Like prior to all the cheating allegations like did you have like a healthy intimacy life with him? Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. I think that that’s what part of you know our love and our bond. It’s like we are so deeply connected like in all ways and yeah I I’m a I’m a huge part of this problem though. It’s like I take it full accountability on being in a relationship with someone and not also pursuing intimacy because although I was disgusted and I didn’t want like to be intimate, I didn’t have these very serious conversations like, “Hey, maybe we should go see a therapist. Like maybe we should do couples therapy. Maybe like this is a normal going like another year without being physically intimate. It is such an important part of a marriage in a relationship. Was it the cheating that really broke down your marriage or were you guys Rocky before you found out and with the allegations? It was the cheating. It was nothing else. Could handle anything. I have to ask, Austin said you weren’t having sex because you believed you were the Virgin Mary reincarnated. What is your response to that? Yeah. Um it’s really hurtful because it’s just such a strange thing to say. Um for years in my spiritual journey, um I would, you know, everyone in my circle and everyone knows how deeply connected I am to Christ and to Mother Mary. Um more than ever today, I I I feel like I can connect to her always. And I think that’s just his way to just throwing jabs, just trying to make me look crazy, you know, try to paint a picture of she’s crazy. Um, yeah, it’s just it’s I know it’s kind of sad during all of this. I think this is something that’s very sadly relatable, but you didn’t confide in anyone, right, for most of the time. How did you decide not to tell your mom or anyone? My decision was solely based on the fact that I didn’t want that to change people’s perception of him because I thought that it we we could heal and we can get to a better place. M I didn’t want to say something and then them like have so much you know information at the end of the day it’s like it’s almost like gossip like you know gossiping and I believe I truly believe that gossiping is poison and so I thought you know this is my marriage and I’m going to I’m just going to keep it to myself because I need to figure it out within myself when I decided that I wanted a divorce that’s truly when I told my parents and my family it’s like I want to get a divorce and they were very supportive of me. But was it like eating you alive holding this on by yourself? Yes. And for a while it was, but I felt at one point I’m like everybody knows, you know? It’s like everybody knows. It’s it’s it was like it started to become so obvious. I I do think which I’m interested to hear your opinion on this. Like I think there was a point where the public was almost shifting to being like so frustrated almost with you because all of these women are coming forward with like pretty detailed tangible stories and you guys are posting like a United Front, nothing’s going on. How do you think not acknowledging all of it publicly impacted your reputation? Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Whiteclaw. I don’t know who needs to hear this, but you’re way too hot to be spending the summer sitting inside scrolling on your phone. What are you doing? What are you doing? Stop letting plans die out in the group chat. Grab a White Claw and go make some memories. Okay? Whether you’re yapping poolside, hitting a barbecue, or just kicking back around a fire, a cold White Claw goes perfectly with your summer plants. That’s right, Daddy Gang. It is White Claw summer. 100 calories in 12 glorious ounces, gluten-free, and the taste you know and love. I like to pick up a variety pack so that I can guarantee everyone can get their favorite flavors. I am personally through and through always a black cherry girl, but Matt loves the mango and Lauren’s favorite is lime. So, there’s truly something for everyone. It’s time to come out of hibernation and stop leaving everyone on red. We’re finding a guy with a boat and we’re having a damn drink. My friends and I strictly drank White Claw for an entire girls trip last year and now I can’t even smell sunscreen without being reminded of that trip. It was honestly the best time ever. There is nothing better than warm sun, a tiny bikini, tiny tiny bikini, and an ice cold claw in your hand. That is peak life. Pick up a pack from your favorite local spa and grab life by the claw with your favorite flavor this summer. Please drink responsibly hard selter with flavors. White claw selter works Chicago, Illinois. How do you think not acknowledging all of it publicly impacted your reputation? It deeply impacted my reputation. I felt like I was like in a fishbowl and like I couldn’t like it’s like all these eyes pressing in on me and I’m thinking like oh my gosh I don’t know do I do I protect or do I say my truth and then my whole life changes. You know what I mean? And it’s like I always thought about my kids first. Like I need to be a mother to them. I need to mother them. and their mother needs to be happy, healthy, laughing, playing. Like, I don’t want to I don’t want to like have two separate homes right now. I don’t want to have to figure out what I’m going to do for a living now because we’ve been doing this for almost 10 years, you know? We’ve been doing this for so long. And it was just me trying to just like navigate that with myself. Like, I didn’t want to make these big impulsive decisions publicly. And I think that’s totally fair. I think like I get why people would start to be like hello. Like do you know like what are you doing? Like say something or leave or say I’m staying with him even though I think there was moments where I’m like I’m going to leave tomorrow. Like I’m going to do this tomorrow and I’m I’m just not going to look back and I’m just going to go and I’m going to find a place and you know it we won’t film and people are going to wonder what happened to us that like I had those moments. Yeah. Yeah, I had those moments. Um, but I think what was the hardest part about all of it was that he would never admit to it. And I thought, well, if you’re not admitting it to me, you’re not going to admit it to the world, right? So, that was the hardest part, right? It’s almost like you were in this like gaslighted situation where this person is telling you it’s not happening and even though in your heart you know it’s happening, you also are presenting as United Front to the world. And it’s like, am I going to say it and then he’s going to deny it even though the whole world knows it and I’ve been and I’m pregnant and I don’t want to leave and I have kids. Like it’s such a complicated situation and I get with social media people just judge on the surface. Um, I’ve done it. You know what I mean? Another thing too, Alex, is another big thing that I had in the forefront of my mind and I look back and think like, oh my gosh, I shouldn’t have been thinking like that. I felt like if I like if I broke the family, I’m thinking like I’m needing to break the family for this, then I’m going to break everyone’s heart. I’m going to break millions and millions of people who watch us and who see sees us as this powerful power couple and I’m going to break everyone’s heart because this isn’t real. This isn’t true. This isn’t what people think it is anymore. And I also didn’t want people to bash him because I’m like, as much as he hurt me, as much as I feel like I got stabbed in the back, like I can handle that, but like can you handle the scrutiny and the the all this? It’s like and clearly not because not my book didn’t even come out yet and he you know but for a long time that was that was a huge part of why I didn’t want to speak up because I don’t want the father of my children to to get this like public humiliation but then over the years I thought well he already got it you know um I need to do what’s best for me I can’t keep living in a lie I can’t I can’t not address the big elephant in the room. I also will just say, and I’m sure so many people watching right now are feeling this, like I have so much respect for you, even trying to protect him because I think a lot of people understandably would be like, “Fuck you. [ __ ] you.” and the fact that you again chose to put your family first and not yourself first and you really looked at the big picture like I think a lot of women and especially mothers will be able to be like I think I would do the same thing. Um you talk about a breaking point cuz I think at some point we’re all like the cheating and when did you know this marriage was completely over and how did you go about telling him? There was a conversation that we had right before he had this big uh boxing uh match. He was um the uh it was like it was like Arvette and then he was like the main person on the card and the night before I felt I felt like something was about to happen. I don’t know. It was like this like intuition feeling like in my gut I’m like I don’t know something feels really strange about tomorrow. and the fight was going to be the next day. And I we were in the living room and you know the lights were down, the kids were sleeping and I said, “I’m not happy.” And he’s like, “Why are you why are you talking about this now? Why why are you doing this now? I have a fight tomorrow. Like, can’t you just be a little bit more sympathetic to, you know, and I was like, but I I had to say it right now. I just I’m really not happy. Like, I genuinely don’t feel good, Austin. Like, I don’t feel something doesn’t feel right.” and oh, you know, we can have we could have had this conversation after and this and that. And then the next day, he got really sick right before his fight. He had 103 fever. He was really sick. It It didn’t It felt like a message. It didn’t feel like he just randomly got sick. No one else got sick but Austin. And um I walked into they were staying at an Airbnb. It was like the whole team, you know, the uh everybody for the fight. And they were getting ready to um get in the sprinter uh sprinter van or the bus. And I came in, had hair, makeup done, and I’m like, “Hey, what’s going on?” He’s like, “Come into the room.” He’s like, “Feel my forehead.” And I’m like, “Oh my gosh.” Like you’re He’s like, “I I’m I have 103 fever. Just came a couple hours ago. I don’t know.” And I’m like, “Well, what are you going to do?” I was like, “You can’t fight.” He’s like, “No, I I have to like I can’t not.” And mind you, we just had this conversation about yesterday, like this gut feeling, like something doesn’t feel right. And like I feel like what happened that night in the fight was very, um, it was like a mirror of what’s going on in our internal life. Can you explain just if people didn’t see the fight? Yeah. So, basically, um, he got really sick. Mhm. I went out into the floor, you know, we’re all watching them on the ring and he got the first time he got knocked down. I I thought, “Oh my god, this is the first time I’ve ever seen my husband crumble.” And my heart stopped and I wanted to scream and cry and yell and just I hated I hated that moment. And then there was a voice and then he got knocked down. It was a second one and then a third and then a fourth and then a fifth. and he just kept standing up and I kept thinking, “Oh my gosh, this is who he is. He always stands up when he falls.” And there I heard this voice and it was like, “It’s okay. He’s having an ego death. He has to go through this. Hold space for him. Everything’s going to be okay.” And we left the ring. We got in the ambulance. He was completely disoriented. He just kept saying the words, “I need water.” And I was like yelling at the paramedics, “Please get him water. He just He’s thirsty. he’s thirsty. He needs water. And they were like, “No, it’s against protocol. We can’t give him water. We have to wait to get him into the hospital and check in and this and that.” And so, um, that happened. And then the next day, he was feeling better. Had I I grabbed his hand and I posted a picture of us holding hands. And I was so ready to let go the day before. And I was like telling the world, I’m still here for him. And it was like this moment of like yes we are not romantically together in that way but I still respect him as a father and my children and no matter what I will always stand by his side and it was like that kind of energy. So then it was almost like I was okay being in the relationship as a as a family, as like I’m here, we’re a team, but it was like we were not a team. You were still lying to me. When did you tell him you wanted to divorce? So, uh, we had talked about it a couple times. I never said the words, “I want a divorce.” I never said that those words ever out loud. Um, we had the last the last conversation we had had on separating, we actually talked about um him, you know, getting another home and I was getting another home because we were actually planning on leaving the rental we were at and you know when you have like really deep conversations about making plans and then they just don’t fall through. So, it’s kind of like that kind of thing and um and then the stress of like life and all the things that it brings, you know. So that wasn’t like um we weren’t like like we weren’t trying to get that done quickly, you know, because usually when it comes to an end, you want to make you want to get it done, right? But we hadn’t reached that moment of like it’s an urgency. We need to do it right now. When I had that realization that it has to happen right now, I have to stop waiting for the right time because there’s never going to be a right time. The moment is now. And I had that realization when um it was on my 33rd birthday. So this is really interesting. My whole life, like ever since I was a kid, I always said 33 is going to be the biggest year of my life. And I would say that just like jokingly in my mind and I thought 33 is going to be the biggest year of my life. And then I turned 33 and um I was talking to my dad and I was like, “Hey, I really want to go to this retreat in Brazil.” And um he was like, “I want to go with you.” And I was like, “Perfect. like me, you and Ryan will go to this retreat, you know, and I booked my flight on my birthday. And in that moment, you know, Austin and I, it was it was done. We we just didn’t make the we didn’t put the wheels in motion to officially divorce and separate, but it was there and it was You knew you were separated? It we were separated for sure because it was so obvious. It was like it was in the air. It was like it we hardly saw each other. We stopped filming. So there was no like big moment that you were both like, “We’re done. Let’s go our separate ways.” Well, there was because I went on the retreat and then when I came back, I had this massive expansive experience and I got back, I landed to back into LA. He picked me up. I got in the car and he looked over. He said, “Oh, how was it?” And I was like, “Good.” good. And in my head, I’m thinking like like he he he doesn’t understand what I what where I just went, what I just did, how like he doesn’t understand. And I thought, that’s okay. We just we’re different places vibrationally now. And I was like, if I’m going to say it, I’m going to say it right now. I got in the car, I closed the door. How was it? We’re driving out, literally driving out of the airport, and I said, “I Austin, I need to talk to you.” Like, “Hey, yeah, what’s up?” I was like, “It’s not a secret that our relationship is done and we’re both unhappy. You know, I’ve been unhappy for a long time. I know you’ve been unhappy for a long time and I want a divorce.” And he’s driving, “Okay.” He’s like, “Okay.” I was like, “Oh my gosh.” All right. Well, I was like, “Oh my gosh, I’m so happy.” I was like, “Um I was like, I you know, I’m on your team and I love you and I want to do this right and you know, it doesn’t have to get ugly. I I pray I don’t want it to get ugly.” And um and I said, um and and I said these words. I said, “Let’s discuss an exit plan together as a team.” Like, “Let’s do it together.” He goes, “Yeah, yeah, we could talk about it, you know.” And and I was like, um, he goes, “It’s funny because, um, my realtor the other day sent me a house, uh, that’s for rent down the street from from where we’re living now.” And I I thought, “Oh, okay, cool.” He’s like, “Yeah, it’s interesting how life works.” And I was like, “Yeah.” I was like, “Have you seen the house?” He’s like, “Oh, I’m going to see it next week.” And I’m like, “Okay, cool.” And then it was just kind of like, “Okay, like we’re going to do this.” Why did you guys never make a video to kind of like talk about your separation? Cuz that was kind of like your guys thing. Well, I didn’t want to make a video because if he wasn’t telling me the truth without the cameras rolling, he’s for sure not going to tell the truth with the cameras rolling. So, I thought, well, I’m not going to do a video with you side by side. If you can’t say I cheated on my wife and you know, it led us to this path where both we both have made mistakes. I would share my mistakes, you know, like I didn’t have good communication, you know, I, you know, I wasn’t there for him maybe when he needed me emotionally, you know, and all of these things. And I thought he can’t be honest, so I’m not doing the video. And then he came out and said that you didn’t want him to make his own video explaining the breakup from his point of view. And I guess that kind of answers it cuz you’re like, you’re not going to tell the [ __ ] truth. He didn’t tell the truth. He said, “There’s things that I regret, but it’s like that could be anything, right?” And then not to mention, um, so this is the thing about that, and I’m just going to be completely bluntly honest because at this point, just my throat chakra is open and I’m just going to be me. Let’s go. Um, when we discussed the divorce, I said, “I’d really like to do uh a joint like um statement.” Like, you know, a lot of people sometimes they do statements. It’s just easier, you know, and and um he’s like, “Oh, no, no. I want to make a video.” And I said, “Well, I don’t want to be in your video, so I don’t I’m not going to I’m going to do I’m not going to do that. I’m going to make a statement.” He goes, “Oh, well, give me a chance to make a video and I’ll show it to you, and then you could tell me if you like it, and if you like it, then I’ll post it.” And I thought, “I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m actually curious to see what’s in that video, right?” I was really curious. So, I’m like, “Make the video.” So, it took a month for him to actually make it. Okay. And I’m like, “Okay, here we go. I get to see it. Oh my gosh.” Like, I’m so curious what he said. And I was in the room in the in the uh office room and I was watching it and just blunt like honest honest to God was watching the video and I thought this is like social suicide. Like I genuinely feel like this is going to make him look so bad and I love Austin no matter what and I care about him truly. So I’m thinking if he couldn’t at least say the truth because people like people love truth. People love when people are honest and vulnerable and he he wasn’t doing that. It was like he was going around the truth. And I and I looked at him. I said, “I don’t like the video.” I was like, “If you post that, go ahead. If you post that, it doesn’t look I’m I’m just going to be honest.” Because at that point, it’s like, I want to help you, too. I want you to move on in your life, too. I don’t want you to be to have this energy around you, right? But people are going to call you out and be like, “You’re a li you’re lying. Like, this is a big fat lie.” Like we know you’re skirting around the actual thing. Yeah. So then I said I don’t like it. So he recorded me saying that. Why do you think he recorded you? I mean I’m just finding this out by the way. I just You didn’t know he was filming? No. I think it was because he thought Well, I’m I This is what I think. I think he was never planning on posting the video. I think he made it. So and and and again I don’t know, right? This is just my speculation. Um, I think he made it knowing he wasn’t going to post it, but made it so that because he knew I wouldn’t like it cuz he knows me. He He knows me. He’s been living with me. He’s married to me for years. I’m mother of his children, right? And I think he recorded me almost purposely to get those words out of me so that maybe later in the future if he never needed it. Wow. And he Yeah. He I mean got it in in 24 hours. He had it there in his phone. It was almost like ready to go. And when I saw that, I thought, “Oh my gosh, can other people see this or am I the only one who sees like that’s crazy that he’s like secretly recording manipulative. It’s manipulative and it’s illegal.” Well, that’s what I was told, too. And I thought, well, I don’t want to go that route because I mean, we were filming each other and doing pranks and things throughout the day. And then he would say, well, we used to film each other. And then the fans would say, well, you guys were always filming each other. And I thought, “Oh my gosh, can I my book just come out?” I’m like, “I just want to move on.” Truly, one of the biggest conversations online right now is around your IASA use. When did you start taking it? In that really dark period of my life, uh, my marriage was going downhill. I lost my house. My business partners scam me. Um, many, many things were happening in our internal lives. Our family or friends, all the things. I just had a baby. I was really in a really dark place. And uh my brother had been doing this this very sacred medicine work for many years and he would tell me all the time, you know, Katherine, one day like when you’re ready, I’ll be here for you. And and it’s a solo journey and all it took was one night of ceremony and I had a full condalini awakening. I remembered everything. It completely changed my life. So it’s a very powerful tool. I think a lot of the conversation online because of what Austin kind of said on his Snapchat rant is about your kids and wanting to know, have your kids ever been in the home while you’re hosting at home ceremonies? No, absolutely not. That was a lie. I think that um because he knows how sacred and how um such how how how much has impacted my life. I think that that was the one that jab that like I know that means a lot to her so I’m going to say this you know and and um maybe a couple years ago it would have been more hurtful. Now it’s more like oh you know just but um but no it’s that’s not true. I think that people will throw stones at things they don’t understand and I think that’s what happened with Austin. Has anyone ever expressed concern to you over using Iawaska? No. No. Never. Have you and Austin ever done it together? No. Okay. Can you please explain Austin’s allegation that you quote turned him into a mermaid? Oh my god, I love this one. I literally can’t believe that just came out of my mouth. I’m like, is that a thing? Okay, tell me. So, a couple of years ago, we were always making content. Like, Austin has dressed up so many times as a older woman, as a like just funny skits and stuff. So, there was um I when I started my skincare line um I wanted to do a fun mermaid photo shoot and I thought like, “Oh my god, this is so cool because I’m I’m making um I’m making a sunscreen and took me a couple of years to get here and I want to do something really fun and exciting and um so we went to Hawaii and there was this girl that I reached out to that wears uh like she wears like fins and she’s like, “Oh, I have so many like we’ll we’ll do the campaign around the the mermaid idea.” And I thought that was so cool. So, I think that’s what he’s talking about. But you don’t think you’re a mermaid? No. I mean, I think that I’m connected to the the mystics and the the, you know, just these these different star seed systems and I I’m just very connected. And I think that that, you know, I I like to live authentically and I like to share like my journey, you know, and I’m just I’m very connected to these things. But I think when he people were just making fun of it and he thought, “Oh, I’m going to use this and just extra paint her look crazy.” You know, and it’s like I think for me it’s just funny now, you know? I think maybe maybe a couple years ago I would have been like, “Oh my gosh, that’s I hate that he said that, but I don’t care.” There has been a lot of speculation online about an overlap between your marriage with Austin and your relationship with your new partner, Igor. What was the timeline there? So, um, I met him on my Brazil retreat. Met in the middle of the Amazon. You know, I’m very honest just with my journey. Like, I think for a long time I was afraid of sharing timelines because I was so in the limelight and on the camera all the time and it’s like the timeline started to kind of scare me a little. Now, I own them. It’s okay. like it was over between us and it had been many years of us just not having this emotional intimate marriage that I thought we were going to have. And I’m going to be honest with you. Um, right before I went on that trip, like the months leading up to that trip, I kept thinking, I have so much baggage when I when we divorce, cuz I felt it coming. When we officially divorce, nobody’s going to want me. I have three kids. Like, I’m like, I’m, you know, in this space and people are going to just see me as, you know, ace family mom, you know, or whatever. And I thought, you know, who’s going to who’s going to take me seriously? And and I don’t want to date. Oh, I don’t I’m I’m not a dating type of person, you know, and I thought, you know, I’m just going to be alone forever. And I thought, you know, I’m okay. It’s okay. Like, I don’t need anyone. I’m I feel complete and whole in myself. And I remember saying that to myself. And um in that retreat, you know, I it was a four it was um I was there for 10 days and it was four days of um of the the practice. And um on the third day, I just I’m like, “Oh my gosh.” like I don’t I don’t have as much baggage as I thought I did. I think it was all in my head. I really started to sit with myself. And yeah, uh I met him at that in that experience. It was a friendship. It was like never imagined that anything would ever go further ever in a million years. Like if you would have told me like a year ago, two or a couple years ago that I was going to meet someone, I thought me me meeting someone who what does he look like? What does he do? Like what where what how do he speak? Right? And um I’ve never felt so safe in my entire life. And I feel like I earned it because I spent so many years just being there and just like just feeling empty and just and I but I really had to pour into myself. I really had to do that. How do Austin and Eigor feel about each other? I can’t speak for Austin because I don’t know. I think I think like what he’s done publicly to kind of just um like he he got him a shirt on uh on Christmas that says something about um stepfather or something and I thought okay is he doing this for the for the Snapchat or is he doing this because he actually thinks he’s stepfather worthy you know. Have you met Austin’s new Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I met her. Yeah. I met her about a year ago, I think. Yeah. How do you feel about that? I like her. I think honestly um I feel like my kids are the best like they’re the best judged, you know, when they they’ll come and give me information. Oh, I don’t even ask. Oh, we just did this with Alexa today. I’m like, oh my gosh. Like like did you guys have fun? And like just kind of seeing their like interactions and how they talk about her or anybody for that matter, just anyone. Um I get good vibes, you know. And I think like at the end of the day, it’s like people meet each other where they’re at. So that’s them. That’s that that is their journey. And I I don’t judge. I don’t have any judgment towards that. Okay. Last question. if you could just kind of give like a final statement to the Ace family who’s watching and who’s been on this journey since your first place where you lived with Austin and when you were pregnant and all the things and they’ve been here for so long and they felt maybe like we’ve lost them and things have changed and everything which changes good like what do you want to leave a lasting message with them today. I would say forgiveness is key. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on and talking about this cuz I know there’s so much behind all this and that’s why I’m happy I got to sit down with you today. And like I had said earlier, like I’m sure at some point I’ve watched and judged and been like what’s going on? And it’s like so nice to hear you sitting here and like talking through why you made the decisions you made as a mother and a woman and someone who really wanted to stand by her husband and you explaining things is so relatable, Catherine. Like so much of what you said today I think women are going to relate to and they shouldn’t feel shame over staying. They shouldn’t feel shame over whether they got cheated on then they stayed or they cheated and they left. Everyone’s journey is their journey, but I think when you’ve you’ve talked so beautifully about you did what you could do at the time and it was your best and now you’re also at a place in your life where you never thought you would be. You just said, “I never thought I’d find another person. I thought I’d be alone. I thought I had all this baggage and turns out there’s another chapter and then there will be another chapter and another chapter.” So, I’m just so happy that you trusted me with your story and I’m really excited for everyone to read your book. Thank you. Thank you for coming on.
Join Alex in the studio for an exclusive interview with Catherine Paiz. Catherine finally addresses all of the cheating rumors, reveals why The ACE Family ultimately fell apart, and opens up about where she and Austin stand today. Enjoy!
CALL HER DADDY:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/callherdaddy
Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@callherdaddy
X: https://www.x.com/callherdaddy
ALEX:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alexandracooper
Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fathercooper
X: https://www.x.com/alexandracooper
UNWELL:
Youtube: @Unwell
Website: https://www.iamunwell.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unwell
Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unwell
Hydration: https://www.unwellhydration.com
49 Comments
Cheating on your pregnant wife is wild
@CatherinePaiz thank you for being such a light ☺ i believe in you & your words…. hope to see more uplifting content from you bcuz we think alike <3
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen both Catherine and Austin are terrible people with a platform which should be revoked. FOCUS ON YOUR DAMN KIDS AND GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA! buenas noches 🙂
she actually gets more beautiful as the video goes on
I’m confused how they got pregnant if they weren’t intimate for 5 years?
For all of you who can only make negative comments about her sacred medicine use are truly ignorant and misinformed. Please educate yourself before trying to be a keyboard warrior because you can see how much of that journey has healed her and got her to this point of forgiveness. Just like any other disease, the healing process is never pretty but it’s the effort that we all should acknowledge! We need to start making men take accountability instead of. being an internet parrot with no original thoughts.
smh
44:16 narcissistic men never apologize for their faults and they never will. They don’t hold capacity for real love and real connection. They don’t know how to be empathetic or real. He will never be sorry for what he did because it doesn’t seem wrong to him.
Wow! This broke my heart. I was so invested in the ACE family, Cathrine is so strong and so poise. I admire her and I understand why she moved the way she did. I’m so happy she is in a better place now and living her best life. 💕🙏🏽
wild that the hairstylist said he was cheating and its a salon where she actually find out.
Her not even realising until the host tell hers ‘you know he was just blaming you even when he said he’d cheated he still was blaming you’ he’s really dragged her through it
The fact she said all this and still wanted to defend him makes NO SENSE. It's quite sad.
Why does the title say 20 women when she said she only knew of 3 for sure? Why does she say “I never said the words I want a divorce” then minutes later says they were in the car and she told him “I want a divorce” and he said okay. I understand Austin’s not a saint but she gives me shady vibes.
Didn't even fight for her 💔
she knew he was cheating obviously. she won’t admit it bc then she would have to admit to the fact that her husband is a rapist. she would lose everything. she’s as bad as him for trying to hide it. they should both be in prison.
What recording are they talking about? The one where he recorded secretly?
This woman is amazing. I've watched the ace family since I was 14 and now I'm 23. Austin is master manipulator. He is so good at making people believing his narrative as he edited the videos we watched. We sat and believed that their love was true love but it couldn't be further from the truth. This man made us believe this woman was his world. Now that their not together and she's doing this. I can just imagine how far this man is willing to go to change truth and to change his image. He will say just about anything. He is a control freak, power obsessed, narcissistic man. Alexa mother wrote to him because I bet she knew of Austin's past, alexa deserves more then him. He deserves to be alone. To reflect to change. I feel Terrible for his kids. His girls especially. He's a disappointment. And to those who believe him. Open your eyes. He is fooling you too. He's not a man, he's boy. And that is that
The way she speaks of Austin…it’s so beautiful. He refuses to take accountability for his actions, IMO, he never will. So happy she’s okay ❤
she has clearly done a lot of work on herself. Admirable, really. Never saw this woman before but yeah, bravo lady!
She is such a powerful and positive woman So proud of her for. Fighting for her family to keep them together and not giving up right away because she truly loved him and the life they had build together! She definitely will inspire a lot of women out there. ❤
I don’t know what it is but I do not like the vibes from her. She is just gushing over him… still… bro is accused of SA and that’s the tip of the iceberg. It feels very much like she is trying to save face after dragging his accusers on her snap/youtube. Idk this just doesn’t sit right. She gives Ghislaine Maxwell.
So proud of her ❤❤❤
she’s so much better than me. i solute her. i genuinely would’ve been crashing out at the FIRST rumor. i also would’ve been dragging tf out of him on the internet. props to her and i hope she heals!🤍
Honestly I’m calling bullshit a lil bit in some of these stories like “I knew as a child that 33 was gonna be the biggest year of my life” like ain’t no way. Her poor kids are gonna have to deal with seeing this stuff allllll over the internet when they grow up. 🙁
Shyla called them out way before all this !!!
Cheaters don't change 😵💫
More power to you Catherine ❤️
Ok now we need dreka gates
IDC I love her 😭❤️
Wows shes super delusional and naive. Even still.
They did not pioneer family vlogging 😂
Catherine and Igor remind of along came Polly when the wife left for the scuba instructor 😂 except Ben Stiller’s character was a good dude, weird but good lol
As someone who was also cheating during pregnancy my entire relationship 12 times I also protected my ex by not telling ANYONE even when he was abusing me, I protected him and his image. While he destroyed me and my image with lies.
I usually don’t watch call her daddy. But I needed to watch this 😂
Is this about austin
But do you see how she’s not disrespecting him. She genuinely loved him 🙁
What a classy mature queen . She said what needed to be said without being messy 🙂↔️
1:24:36 I was madly in love with a man that was very much Austin personality super sweet loving nice, all the gestures bla bla bla. I always had this gut feeling that he was lying to me about something but obviously when I’d bring it up or have second thoughts I was “crazy” or “threatening the relationship” it wasn’t until I felt so upset all the time and had felt that I had gone mad just hating my life for “no reason” it came the day where I knew he would show me affection in front of certain people that would spike his ego.. I started digging a little more but I didn’t have hard proof. I started rejecting him and felt I didn’t like home anymore but was willing to stay cause my family loved him (so I thought) and he was “nice” and “ I was never going to find anyone like him” (I hope not lol) anyways the second I became attracted to someone else, not directly just found someone else attractive is the second everything clicked in my mind and I knew he wasn’t the one and broke up the day after . A week later my best friend found ALL THE PROOF she’d been gathering for me of all his lies who he really was. I’m now very happy and thriving without him in my life
Damn I’m floored. I truly never believed Austin cheated. I guess I’m so naive 😡. I respect Catherine even more now.
Never trust a drug addict
Knowing her pain sucks so much… I kept looking like a fool and was pregnant and even after being pregnant. I want to just hug her so bad!!!!
This is SO GOOD! LEIGHTON MEESTER IM BEGGING
i feel like this breakup is an Ace Family money making scheme -_-
The demon dream was a warning I think it was the jezebel demon
My bf chooses to leave his phone on the table when he goes to the bathroom or shower because he knows I’ve been cheated on in that way before so he’s always trying to make me feel comfortable ❤
So glad she did this!!!!
Wait did she just try to fake cry?
This is the Catherine we have been waiting for, speaking her truth!!! I can see how she is driven by her children, the only real blessing she got from being with Austin!
Girl I would start calling out Names! 😢 of all the woman.
Trust no one
wait I am a little confused…. she says there was no intimacy because she had checked out, but she had 3 kids with him??