We’re fully back in the 90s/00s ‘nothing tastes as good as skinny feels’ thinness era
Shmooperdoodle on
I was in high school when Abercrombie was selling 00. I graduated in 2001.
I remember Kate Moss in magazine ads. Heroin chic. This has nothing to do with medication and everything to do with cyclic fashion and beauty ideals.
People need to stop shitting on Ozempic, a medication with a wide range of perfectly valid uses. It’s so gross. It’s like saying SSRI’s ruined an industry. People need to fucking stoppit.
NotAsBrightlyLit on
Plus size is stepchild that big sister fashion was forced to recognize and deal with for a bit, but now ignores again. What plus size people thought was a break-through and invitation to every party was really just a begrudged acknowledgment that got dropped as soon as it was convenient. Strides were made, yes, but not the revolution they wanted or thought it was.
Current_Recover8779 on
People don’t have to expect more from fashion brands, they were in just for trends and money. They see people as things they can dispose or human wallets
JesterWales on
Did fashion ever really embrace plus size beyond tokenism?
knickstapeeee on
just about an hour ago I saw a tweet about the katseye girls’ bodies that made me go “wow we’re really) back in the 00s”
I don’t think we were ever fully out of it (2010s edtumblr did irreversible damage to teenage me) but it’s pretty blatant at this point
DrFranFine on
I watched an interesting [video](https://youtu.be/71oNTYSKnc4?si=n5z5gL9uSTiJMC2y) recently saying that all this pressure on women to be skinny is associated with fascism and makes women physically weak and easier to control.
Something that makes me feel better about body image issues is to remember that beauty standards uphold capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy, and all sorts of bad things. So why should I care if a white supremacist thinks I’m not hot?
84th_legislature on
were they ever doing plus size? I’ve been in my plus size era for a while and the options, while improving, still trended heavily toward “slip on this huge bag” or “we didn’t know titties get bigger with fat, so here’s a size 18 dress with plenty of hip room sized for a 38C chest”
theserthefables on
fashion was already ditching plus size several years before Ozempic, I feel like during Covid? but I have ADHD so my grasp of time & it’s passing is … not good.
creepingsecretly on
My doctor put me on Ozempic for blood sugar and I gained weight. It makes me feel hungry all the time. This has nothing to do with the fashion industry, but I wanted to complain.
Dangercules138 on
The fat acceptance movement was a token fad. It gave the whole industry brownie points for the highly controversial take of “everyone can be beautiful”. Now that trend is over because despite everything, being fat, is actually pretty unhealthy and generally unappealing in the real world so now the industry can get back to making all women feel like trash about themselves again.
No-Variation-2348 on
I have noticed one particular plus sized model who received many accolades slimming down at a pretty rapid clip that suggests GLP-1 use. That in combination with the Serena Williams ads has been pretty disheartening.
Ok-Strength4804 on
HAES girlies evaporated with Tirzepatide and Semaglutide. Which is kind of sad because the movement was making headway against diet culture and the societal standard that thin is not only in but superior.
sunkissedbutter on
I feel like there’s a “secret” third option here, in that we can just flat out reject any of this fashion nonsense. I can’t bring myself to (intentionally) consume any of that stuff nowadays. Yet here I am. Idk.
Honest_Salamander247 on
Tbh fashion for plus size was a myth. Have you been in the plus size section of a store? It’s better than it was in the 90s when I worked in retail but not by much.
melissaimpaired on
I try not to look at fashion magazine or really acknowledge runways because they are triggering to my ED.
I have noticed now that it’s trickled down to the malls and mainstream shops, as every time I got shopping I struggle to find anything in my size or bigger (size 10-12).
These stores are leaving money on the table with shelves of xs-s, and customers who are mainly my size and larger.
I’m not risking my health when clothes can just be made bigger.
Rainbow_Tesseract on
As someone who used to be a body posi blogger in its online heyday, this backslide happened *way* before Ozempic.
The trend for smaller bodies and the hand-wringing about health concerns if a gal so much as wore a size 14 are what led to Ozempic’s popularity, not the other way around.
Bigoted people hate to see others existing unimpeded, so just like everything else, the reactionary bullshit was twice as big as the movement.
Murky_Chemical891 on
When i saw Paloma Elsesser losing weight i said “its a wrap”
violetferns on
Thin has always been in when in comes to the fashion world so idg why people are acting surprised
mushyjosie on
I think this also has to do with cutting costs beyond just ‘thin being in’. Making samples in more sizes, rather than all the same size (eg. 00) cost more money in almost every way. Increased patternmaking time, fabric usage, fittings. Plus size patternmaking is also harder because less people are trained in it than straight sizing (it’s also kind of a different skill altogether)
Brands are trying to keep the upfront investment in the development and marketing of their collections low, because the economy is unstable and body positivity doesn’t have enough return on investment for them right now. It’s all business
dombones on
It’s not just fashion. It’s us.
Cardi B openly told everyone that fat shaming is fine and refused to properly apologize. We furrowed our eyebrows as we bought concert tickets and more merch. Then everyone celebrated her because a frivolous lawsuit victory and now I’m seeing like a hundred articles being forced by her PR team about her popup. Our “acceptance” of plus sizes was a cover for obsessions with new unattainable standards that basically requires **expensive** surgeries and drugs. It would be one thing if it were all for personal satisfaction but is it really?
thepatricianswife on
It’s also stupid because like. If you’re 300 pounds and go on wegovy et al and manage to lose 50 pounds, say, you’re almost certainly still going to be fat at 250 pounds! You’ll still need plus size clothes!
It drives me nuts too because the last study I saw indicated the average weight loss wasn’t even 50 pounds. This drug might make some small-fat folks thin and some thin folks thinner but there are still going to be fat people.
It’s just so dumb how people act like it’s magic.
Exotic-Doughnut-6271 on
I’m on Monjero for diabetes. I hate what certain people have done to these types of medications. So much stigma around using them even when you actually need it. I’m so tired of hearing about glp medication.
ladyzfactor on
I’m all for accepting your body but we also need to accept that obesity, especially the one that Tess Holiday and other fat acceptance influencers were pedaling was not healthy. A lot of people decided to leave the fat acceptance circles because a lot of the influencers died early deaths. Heroin chic is not healthy , neither is being obese
CommercialBarnacle16 on
It was never a true movement in fashion. Whatever advances have been made were built from the ground up. So many other things are ruining the fashion industry – not GLP1s. GLP1 users actually overindex on clothing and fashion purchases. As others have said, the rise of fascism and tradwife content are more responsible for pushing the popularity of thinness again.
Barfignugen on
For fashion to have “ditched plus size,” it would’ve had to embrace it to begin with. So no.
jamiedix0n on
Remember forums? Reddit is basically one big forum
Signal-Sprinkles-724 on
the ozempic craze is the new heroin chic
littleb3anpole on
I saw a quote the other day “poor people have body positivity, rich people have Ozempic” and mate as a Poor with a plus size body, this rings true
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We’re fully back in the 90s/00s ‘nothing tastes as good as skinny feels’ thinness era
I was in high school when Abercrombie was selling 00. I graduated in 2001.
I remember Kate Moss in magazine ads. Heroin chic. This has nothing to do with medication and everything to do with cyclic fashion and beauty ideals.
People need to stop shitting on Ozempic, a medication with a wide range of perfectly valid uses. It’s so gross. It’s like saying SSRI’s ruined an industry. People need to fucking stoppit.
Plus size is stepchild that big sister fashion was forced to recognize and deal with for a bit, but now ignores again. What plus size people thought was a break-through and invitation to every party was really just a begrudged acknowledgment that got dropped as soon as it was convenient. Strides were made, yes, but not the revolution they wanted or thought it was.
People don’t have to expect more from fashion brands, they were in just for trends and money. They see people as things they can dispose or human wallets
Did fashion ever really embrace plus size beyond tokenism?
just about an hour ago I saw a tweet about the katseye girls’ bodies that made me go “wow we’re really) back in the 00s”
I don’t think we were ever fully out of it (2010s edtumblr did irreversible damage to teenage me) but it’s pretty blatant at this point
I watched an interesting [video](https://youtu.be/71oNTYSKnc4?si=n5z5gL9uSTiJMC2y) recently saying that all this pressure on women to be skinny is associated with fascism and makes women physically weak and easier to control.
Something that makes me feel better about body image issues is to remember that beauty standards uphold capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy, and all sorts of bad things. So why should I care if a white supremacist thinks I’m not hot?
were they ever doing plus size? I’ve been in my plus size era for a while and the options, while improving, still trended heavily toward “slip on this huge bag” or “we didn’t know titties get bigger with fat, so here’s a size 18 dress with plenty of hip room sized for a 38C chest”
fashion was already ditching plus size several years before Ozempic, I feel like during Covid? but I have ADHD so my grasp of time & it’s passing is … not good.
My doctor put me on Ozempic for blood sugar and I gained weight. It makes me feel hungry all the time. This has nothing to do with the fashion industry, but I wanted to complain.
The fat acceptance movement was a token fad. It gave the whole industry brownie points for the highly controversial take of “everyone can be beautiful”. Now that trend is over because despite everything, being fat, is actually pretty unhealthy and generally unappealing in the real world so now the industry can get back to making all women feel like trash about themselves again.
I have noticed one particular plus sized model who received many accolades slimming down at a pretty rapid clip that suggests GLP-1 use. That in combination with the Serena Williams ads has been pretty disheartening.
HAES girlies evaporated with Tirzepatide and Semaglutide. Which is kind of sad because the movement was making headway against diet culture and the societal standard that thin is not only in but superior.
I feel like there’s a “secret” third option here, in that we can just flat out reject any of this fashion nonsense. I can’t bring myself to (intentionally) consume any of that stuff nowadays. Yet here I am. Idk.
Tbh fashion for plus size was a myth. Have you been in the plus size section of a store? It’s better than it was in the 90s when I worked in retail but not by much.
I try not to look at fashion magazine or really acknowledge runways because they are triggering to my ED.
I have noticed now that it’s trickled down to the malls and mainstream shops, as every time I got shopping I struggle to find anything in my size or bigger (size 10-12).
These stores are leaving money on the table with shelves of xs-s, and customers who are mainly my size and larger.
I’m not risking my health when clothes can just be made bigger.
As someone who used to be a body posi blogger in its online heyday, this backslide happened *way* before Ozempic.
The trend for smaller bodies and the hand-wringing about health concerns if a gal so much as wore a size 14 are what led to Ozempic’s popularity, not the other way around.
Bigoted people hate to see others existing unimpeded, so just like everything else, the reactionary bullshit was twice as big as the movement.
When i saw Paloma Elsesser losing weight i said “its a wrap”
Thin has always been in when in comes to the fashion world so idg why people are acting surprised
I think this also has to do with cutting costs beyond just ‘thin being in’. Making samples in more sizes, rather than all the same size (eg. 00) cost more money in almost every way. Increased patternmaking time, fabric usage, fittings. Plus size patternmaking is also harder because less people are trained in it than straight sizing (it’s also kind of a different skill altogether)
Brands are trying to keep the upfront investment in the development and marketing of their collections low, because the economy is unstable and body positivity doesn’t have enough return on investment for them right now. It’s all business
It’s not just fashion. It’s us.
Cardi B openly told everyone that fat shaming is fine and refused to properly apologize. We furrowed our eyebrows as we bought concert tickets and more merch. Then everyone celebrated her because a frivolous lawsuit victory and now I’m seeing like a hundred articles being forced by her PR team about her popup. Our “acceptance” of plus sizes was a cover for obsessions with new unattainable standards that basically requires **expensive** surgeries and drugs. It would be one thing if it were all for personal satisfaction but is it really?
It’s also stupid because like. If you’re 300 pounds and go on wegovy et al and manage to lose 50 pounds, say, you’re almost certainly still going to be fat at 250 pounds! You’ll still need plus size clothes!
It drives me nuts too because the last study I saw indicated the average weight loss wasn’t even 50 pounds. This drug might make some small-fat folks thin and some thin folks thinner but there are still going to be fat people.
It’s just so dumb how people act like it’s magic.
I’m on Monjero for diabetes. I hate what certain people have done to these types of medications. So much stigma around using them even when you actually need it. I’m so tired of hearing about glp medication.
I’m all for accepting your body but we also need to accept that obesity, especially the one that Tess Holiday and other fat acceptance influencers were pedaling was not healthy. A lot of people decided to leave the fat acceptance circles because a lot of the influencers died early deaths. Heroin chic is not healthy , neither is being obese
It was never a true movement in fashion. Whatever advances have been made were built from the ground up. So many other things are ruining the fashion industry – not GLP1s. GLP1 users actually overindex on clothing and fashion purchases. As others have said, the rise of fascism and tradwife content are more responsible for pushing the popularity of thinness again.
For fashion to have “ditched plus size,” it would’ve had to embrace it to begin with. So no.
Remember forums? Reddit is basically one big forum
the ozempic craze is the new heroin chic
I saw a quote the other day “poor people have body positivity, rich people have Ozempic” and mate as a Poor with a plus size body, this rings true