Emma Thompson & Kelly Clarkson Interview Goes OFF The Rails!

Emma Thompson & Kelly Clarkson Interview Goes OFF The Rails!

– You can see her new
series “Down Cemetery Road” on Apple TV. New episodes premiere each week. Everybody give it up
for Dame Emma Thompson. (audience cheers and applauds)
(upbeat music begins) – Thank you, thank you. – Yep, yep, yep! (audience cheers and applauds) Oh, there we go. Of course you rock and roll. (audience cheers and applauds) I’m gonna sit last. I was like, you’re a dame. I was waiting for you to sit first. – Yes, that’s right, that’s correct. – [Kelly] You’re a true lady. – On your knees! – You’re a true lady! – [Emma] Yes. – So, well, congrats on, first of all, just congrats on being you. – [Emma] Thank you. (audience cheers and applauds) – Congratulations. – You stop that now. – I don’t think I’ve ever, I don’t dunno if you’ve
opened your card yet, but I literally just said thank you, because you don’t realize how much of a part of
people’s lives you are, ’cause you’re you obviously, but like. – Because I’m old actually. – [Kelly] No, no, no. – You know, you’ve all grown up with me. – [Kelly] No, that’s
actually not what I mean. – This is a young audience, look at you. – No, I mean I love a lot of your work. Like, so there’s so much of
your work, like over years, and it’s, I know I’m a singer, but it’s still inspiring to me. Like when I go in the
zone and I’m singing, you’ve been such a hero of mine, anyway, but congrats on the new series as well. – Thank you. – I wanna say that too. Tell everybody about it, because the first
episode, a lot goes down. – A lot does go down. So, I haven’t done tele
for a long, long time. But I love this writer, Mick Herron, because he’s kind of, it’s
all a bit dark and grimy. – [Kelly] Yeah. – And I thought, ooh, time for
a bit of grime in my sixties. – Like how people interact
and they talk to each other. – Yeah, exactly. And it’s sort of a very real world. And the thing I loved
about the character I play is that a long time ago she decided she didn’t have to be a good girl. – [Kelly] Yeah. – Now we all know what
that means, you know? There’s lots of people in the
audience going yeah, yeah. You know, all those
roles that you are told, yes, you’re a good girl, you do your exams and you become a teacher. Well that’s very good,
you’ve got a good job, and then you go, you’re a good wife, you are a good mother, you’re a good girl. You are just being so good. And then you come to at the
age of, I don’t know, 85, and think, what did I
actually want all that time? I never asked myself what I wanted, and I didn’t know what I wanted. And I know a lot of women
in that kind of situation, but Zoe, she just says. – Zoe don’t care. – She don’t care. – Zoe says whatever the hell she wants. – [Emma] No, she does. She doesn’t have to be polite. – [Kelly] Yeah. – She doesn’t mind about being polite. – [Kelly] She’s very funny. – She doesn’t have to assuage
her way around people, around the world. She’s very funny. – [Kelly] Yeah. – Sort of cynical, but in a good way. – [Kelly] Yeah. – But she’s also keen on social justice. She’s keen on people
getting their comeuppance if they’ve done something very bad. Which I too have a penchant for. – No, you’ve always been an activist, I feel like, from a young age, right? – [Emma] Yeah. – [Kelly] I don’t know, I feel like where I
grew it was always like, kind of be in the corner, smile, don’t have too much of an
opinion, that kind of thing. – Absolutely. – Where did you get that from? – Don’t take too much space up. – [Kelly] Yeah. – And don’t have opinions
that might go against, just don’t say anything, you know? Just shut up actually. Just keep quiet. – But you’re not like that. – No, I’m not. – [Kelly] Yeah. (Emma hyperventilates) (audience laughs) But it costs, doesn’t it? It costs because then, did you grow up? I mean I grew up and then
you get called bossy. – [Kelly] Or bitchy. – Or you get called mouthy. Or you get called bitchy just
because you have expressed an opinion that is not that of a doormat, as Rebecca West, the
great writer, once said. And you still find that, it still exists, especially in the corridors of power. – [Kelly] Yeah. – You know, where women are
fighting their way into, it is very important that
we get more and more women into power. – Yeah. – Now because we are the ones who know what’s needed. Because we’re always
right at the cutting edge, at the coalface of life. Bringing up children, just trying to survive in the patriarchy. How do we do it? I really don’t know. But largely with humor. – [Kelly] Yeah. – And with grit and determination and the less we can feel that
we have to be this thing, this good girl thing, the better. The more we can say, what is it I really do
feel about this situation, the better. Being able to say no when
someone wants you to do something you really don’t want to do is hard. You know, all of these things are actually revolutionary acts, actually. It seems so simple, doesn’t it? – Oh, it took me forever to say no, now it’s my favorite word. – Exactly, it’s a great word. – No. – No. No. – [Kelly] It’s this kind of. – No, no. No, no, no, no! You can say it in so many ways! – [Kelly] In so many different ways. Reflection. – Practice it, everyone all together now. No!
– [Crowd] No! – A good nope is powerful too. (audience applauds) The show is set in London. Do you, so I heard that you
take the tube in London, and here’s the thing. I know that you’re like
down to earth, whatever, but you’re you. – Yes. – And so I picture you and
I don’t picture you there because people would freak out. – No, not Londoners. Not Londoners, no. And also don’t forget
everyone on the tube is there. – [Kelly] I mean, that’s true. – Everyone’s there. – [Kelly] No one’s even,
especially 30 and younger. – No one’s even, and maybe they’ll look up,
and maybe they’ll clock me. But of course I don’t look like this. – Oh girl, I don’t look like this. This ain’t mine. – This is just like, none
of this is, you forget it. I am in my overalls. – [Kelly] Yeah. – And maybe, you know, a pair of glasses, and nobody really notices,
but if they do, they just go. – [Kelly] Oh, they’re very polite. – Very polite. They don’t even say anything. They just go, or they get
up and as they get up, they just go. (audience laughs) – That, by the way, is
really what I would do. – It’s really nice. – I wouldn’t wanna bother you, but like, you’re so awesome, bye, and
then just like run off, yeah. – [Emma] Yeah, yeah. – No, it’s just, you’re such a huge actor. I just found that funny. I was like, just on the tube. Okay. All right, let’s get to
a couple commercials, ’cause I have gone off the rails. Someone in the audience. – [Emma] We totally aren’t, we haven’t talked about anything we’re supposed to talk about. – Not a bullet point, we’re doing great. – Literally nothing. Go to a break quick before
everything goes south. Jesus Christ. – [Kelly] That was look the
new show, “Down Cemetery Road” which you can watch on Apple TV. So the first episode is already out. We were just discussing it. So what do you hope people take away? Because I, just getting started, it makes me not trust people. – What do I want people to take away? I want people to take
away a violent desire to watch the next one. – Yeah, good answer. Yes. – [Emma] That’s about it. Because it’s slow burn, slow burn, and it gets very, very, yeah, just saying. – What a tease. – [Emma] Just saying. – I haven’t gotten there yet. I’m very much looking forward to it. But, so your dad taught
you to value language, which I think is beautiful, words, right. – [Emma] Well he was a man who
came from a very poor family, didn’t have much of an education. So he was very self-taught. – Yeah. – And he loved language. And so when we were little, the phrase, it was a sort of, you
know, those little phrases that we used. – The little bridges? – [Emma] The little bridges, yes. And he said, just don’t say anything. Leave the pause. Because you don’t need
to fill it up with words that aren’t expressing anything. And I found it very useful, because then you can have
a conversation and leave. – Room for listening – [Emma] Pauses. – Yeah. – Do you see what we’re doing here? – I don’t leave a lot of room for pausing. (audience laughs) This is something. – [Emma] I think you are very good. – That I should work
on and I am working on. Yes I do. But you know why I get it? Sometimes it’s a nervous thing for people. – [Emma] For sure. – You make me nervous,
that’s (beeps) you, okay. – Yeah. – That’s your fault. And so when I get
nervous I just, I’m like, oh my God, there can’t be quiet. We have to fill the space. – That’s right, but I
think we all do that. – Yeah, all right, well
you, I wanna bring this up, because I know you’ve probably
spoken about it a lot, but you won an Oscar for
writing the screenplay for “Sense and Sensibility.” But you’ve said a failure led you there. And here’s the thing, I think
a lot of people think of you and all they see are successes. – Sure. – And they don’t think about, and I think that’s really
important for younger people wanting to be in any artistic industry. – Absolutely.
– [Kelly] Or any business. – Yeah – You have to fail to learn, right? – [Emma] Indeed. – Or you never know what’ll. – As my dad used to
say, if you can’t fail, you can’t do anything. – Yeah, you gotta be
brave enough, I guess. – Yeah, but if you fail
and then you start again, then you learn. You always learn, and you
nearly always get better. Whereas if you were always successful, how could you possibly learn anything? That’s the real dichotomy, isn’t it? Because you think you want to
be successful all the time, but if you were, it would
fast become very dull, and you would just be doing
the same thing, presumably. – Yeah. – So I’d had, you know,
I started in comedy. That’s what I wanted to be, a comedian. And I did that for a
living for quite a while. And I wrote sketch comedy, and I wrote a sketch comedy show. – Yeah. – Which it was kind of political actually. A lot of it was very political. I mean, the first sketch
was about domestic violence, and I wrote about,
anyway, it sort of failed. It didn’t hit right. Particularly male critics said, “This is all very man hating. This is all very,” because
it was very feminist. I suppose it was regarded as such. It actually wasn’t meant to be that. And it was shown here in America, but sort of in the middle of the night, back in the day when there
weren’t 75 million channels and you could watch anything at any time. – Yeah. – A producer, the woman who actually produced “Spinal Tap,” if you can believe, and was working with
Sidney Pollock at the time, saw my show and saw a
sketch that I’d written about sexual ignorance, actually. I mean, do you see what I mean? It was sort of weird. – I’m interested. – [Emma] Well it was
about a young woman who, in Victorian times,
comes back to her mother and talks about a strange
cylindrical object that her husband is
trying to introduce her to that appears to be organic in his lap. – Yeah. – And that moves and things, but she doesn’t know what it is, and she finds it’s a
little bit disturbing. – Yeah. – It’s about the fact that
she had not been told. And to this day, many,
many women across countries here and and in other places are not told about what happens. And if you don’t know. – [Kelly] That’s freaky. – [Emma] Yeah, super freaky. Can you imagine, you
know, you like this guy, he’s really nice. He’s in clothes. Suddenly, you know? – What the hell is that? – He’s got no clothes
on and so what the hell? What? (Emma shrieks) No, no, no, no, no, no! (audience laughs) That’s not right. No, no, no. (audience laughs) (audience applauds) You just, no. I mean you have to be gently
led to this kind of experience, don’t you? – And that’s what led to
“Sense and Sensibility?” – That inspired her to ask me to adapt a Jane Austen novel. – I see that bridge. I see that. (Kelly laughs) – And one does have to
wonder if Jane Austen ever saw a penis. – Yeah, one does. Well, it was a different time. – I’ve never wondered
that out loud before. – There you go, it was a different time. – Yeah. – All right, we need another break, because they’re gonna kill me. Everybody give it up
for Dame Emma Thompson! Check out her new series,
(audience cheers and applauds) it’s called “Down Cemetery Road” and it’s available now on Apple TV with new episodes dropping each week

In a hilarious and heartfelt interview, Dame Emma Thompson dishes on embracing “a bit of grime” in her 60s through her new series “Down Cemetery Road,” and shares how the show mirrors her activist spirit in real life. Emma also reflects on the power of NO, her failed sketch comedy series that lead her to win an Oscar for “Sense and Sensibility,” and shares what it’s really like for a celebrity to ride the Tube in London.
0:00 – Welcome Dame Emma Thompson: Dark and Grimy TV

1:55 – The “Good Girl” Narrative
4:29 – Revolutionary Acts: Saying “No”
5:12 – Riding the Tube in London
7:04 – Valuing Language and Pauses
8:17 – From Failure to Oscar: “Sense and Sensibility”
10:07 – Sexual Ignorance in Victorian Times

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