No trend is specific to one era and just because it isn’t considered a trend anymore to you doesn’t mean anything. Let people live. Oh but people don’t like to here this.
heartbylines on
all standoms as a whole are weird, parasocial, and annoying.
yes, even yours.
the moment pop girlie stans stop their stupid ass stan wars over people who’ll never care they exist and just allow themselves to actually enjoy music, the world would start healing.
but nah keep going twenty comments deep into an argument about your fav who’ll never know your name
Other-Oil-9117 on
Box office numbers mean nothing. I see people often trot out the numbers to try and ‘prove’ whether a movie is bad or good, and it’s always so stupid.
Going to see a movie doesn’t mean that it’s good, it just means you went to a movie. Likewise, people not flocking to see something in the cinema doesn’t make it bad – sometimes it’s bad marketing or a limited release, sometimes people are just busy and don’t have time or can’t afford to see something in the cinema right away.
SomeVelveteenMorning on
Madonna was the single most consequential pop star of the 80s and 90s, because no others can claim, as she validly can, to have **herself** moved the needle on the acceptance of gay rights and other civil rights issues.
Gen Z loves to imagine her as a has-been attention seeker with no talent, but without her activism and her voice, we would not have seen the rapid shift in acceptance of gays or of interracial relationships in the US in the 90s. Perhaps **years** would have been added to the clock on those without her efforts.
chitexan22 on
The grudge towards Will Smith seems excessive. He apologized multiple times and actually seems remorseful. What more can he do? I’ve seen despicable people be forgiven for less.
jungfraulichkeit on
We should all care about these people less
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luckyracoon1669 on
I HATE how self-righteous some people are about celebrities/public figures. Someone will post an article about a celeb, someone else will comment a snarky “reminder” that the celeb is bigoted/abusive etc. I obviously don’t support people harming others in any way. But my God, the smug sense of self some people have.
Or when a celeb gets into controversy and SOMEONE is always there to say “I had a bad feeling about them, I’ve been side-eyeing them this whole time”. You weren’t and you didn’t. Stop.
Potential-Cat4849 on
Not every criticism of women is a smear campaign
Dont-be-baby- on
Being an actor who refuses to break character off camera is cringe and extremely entitled. It’s not some god-tier level of acting. It’s childish and unprofessional
Glitterrain99 on
most criticism from fan that artists (especially the women) get isn’t actually about the criticism but really just a front to dog pile on and moralize a person they just don’t like
i.e. X is totally acceptable when A does it but when B does it its a cancellable offense because she’s a horrible person and deserves to be punished because I don’t like her
echoesandripples on
there’s nothing wrong with actually liking a pop culture thing/person a lot.Â
usually there’s discourse on “only fans like this, it’s actually bad!!!” and “stop being parasocial” (the world has lost all its meaning anyway) and “i would like this show/movie/album of ot wasn’t shoved down my throat, now i hate it”, basically a way to seem smarter than people who enjoy things. surely. there’s always valid criticism, but yucking someone’s yum and accusing then of being blind is poor etiquette to me.Â
unless you’re like stalking a celeb or whatever, there’s nothing wrong with actually enjoying their work and talking about it a lot. especially in pop culture spaces
Pop culture discourse has become an exercise in selective outrage. Misogyny doesn’t exist until you need to misuse “male gaze” to trash the pop girls.
Racism only applies when you need to find a reason to dislike someone.
If nothing else applies, that person you hate must be secretly maga.
Manic-StreetCreature on
Not everything is PR/an ad/calculated and celebrities are still people
(Yes many things are but not EVERYTHING is)
isthatfendi on
I hate that people learned the word parasocial
anthonystank on
Wealth does not immediately rid people of personal hardship, give them the power to instantly fix social problems, or negate all shared experience with people who aren’t wealthy. There are so, SO many good criticisms of wealth and wealthy people and I’m so tired of seeing knee jerk “they’re rich so obviously they can just magically fix all their/our problems” takes
Caa3098 on
Asking celebrities questions about their personal lives in interviews is just part of the job and part of marketing their brand, not some egregious invasion of privacy they need to be rescued from. They can even lie if they want but there is no reason that people should be upset about a celebrity being asked benign personal questions like “does [celebrity significant other] enjoy spending time with your pets?”, “is marriage a hope for you in the future?”, “how old were you when you first knew you wanted to be an actor?”, “were your parents always supportive of you wanting to be an actor?” Etc.
Some of the personal stuff might seem unrelated to their talent but what makes their product sell is the ability for fans to relate to them. If all you’re willing to share about yourself is that you are a musician or an actor and that’s it, then the only people that can relate are musicians and actors and they’re probably focused on their own attempts to break into the industry. People want to know that their favorite actress loves her pet corgi and eats Taco Bell in bed on occasion, or whatever, and these personal questions are just soft-ball prompts for them to share whatever they want.
Cold_Breadfruit_9794 on
They booed me the first time I said it, and they’ll boo me again. I don’t think autographs or photographs are a must if you’re outside of work context. I think this concept of what fans are owed is a bit skewed. Admittedly I don’t think it’s an entirely simple situation, because if you’re making multimillions like yes you owe the public something, but I’m just not convinced it should necessarily involve selling out your personal autonomy.
annnyywhooo on
parasocial hate is probably just as bad or worse than parasocial love. atleast parasocial stans will admit they will ass kiss their fave regardless. people who parasocial hate have this weird obsession with wanting to turn everyone against that celeb they hate and will hide behind the “bringing awareness” excuse
for example going as far as pushing damaging claims that you cannot prove about a celeb you hate IS parasocial. they’ll push that lie then call the people who call out that lie parasocial
robots-made-of-cake on
People grow and change.
ChurlishSunshine on
Mine is that Taylor Swift is fine. Not the greatest pop singer, not literal devil trash, just very fine with fine songs that speak to a lot of people because they hit the sweet spot of generic enough to apply to many but sincere enough to feel relatable.
Zerometro on
I think a lot of fans queerbait themselves by deluding themselves into thinking that a celebrity or fictional character is queer based on a mix of projection and reductive homophobic stereotypes and then they get mad when their theories turn out to be wrong. A lot of it seems to come off as people believing that if they think a person/ character is queer then it must be true and now that celebrity or fictional character must be confirmed as such and if it’s not then they were manipulated.
skyewardeyes on
Someone can be a horrible person and still talented in a field. For better or worse, talent is not based on morals, and someone being a horrible person doesn’t retroactively make them a terrible actor/singer/producer/athlete/etc all along.
PossessionOk5313 on
Another thing, we gotta stop uplifting seemingly nice guy male celebrities on this huge pedestal and acting like you know everything about them. People worshipping Hudson saying “I just know he treats women well” NO YOU DONT?! That’s so parasocial and weird.
We don’t know any of these people, so exalting them for your own “headcannons” of how they are is silly.
Empty-Writer9877 on
You’re allowed to not like someone’s art without making up a reason to be morally superior to them or their fans
BlueFlamingoMaWi on
Random people online can’t actually “cancel” celebrities. I don’t care how many likes or reports you got. Rich and famous people can only cancel themselves by refusing to continue working.
MarieOMaryln on
I’m tired of this Emporer’s New Clothes at events and have a strong desire to see real fabric return. Female celebs arrive basically naked anymore if not outright. I don’t want to her nipples. I don’t want to see his nipples. It’s not groundbreaking or innovative or an expression of freedom. It’s nipples. And ass cracks. It doesn’t make me a prude to not want to see a naked person when I expect to see gowns and sharp suits.
ParanoidEngi on
You do need to read books, watch films, listen to music, and consume art for grownups. You can still enjoy your favourite YA series or childhood band or whatever, but you cannot let your taste stagnate, and you have to push yourself recreationally sometimes too
nuggetsofchicken on
A charitable donation being a tax break doesn’t mean it’s insincere and frankly charitable organizations desperately need the donations that are prompted only for the tax benefits.
Also things being a charitable or business write off doesn’t mean it’s free money
MyDesign630 on
Cheating is not on the same level as harassment, abuse, bigotry, or anything of that ilk. I remember after an actor died one of the top comments was about how he cheated on his former wife and it was fucking absurd that a life was being reduced to that. And I say this whose parents split up in large part because of infidelity. At a certain point something like that has to be allowed to be in the rear view mirror and not trotted out the way truly abusive or racist shit is.
PlentyDrawer on
One day, one day, people will stop using twitter as the place where opinions are treated as fact or valid. Stan twitter is just cruel and full of negativity. Yet, people will still act as if stan twitter=general public opinion and it does not.
meltedkuchikopi5 on
pop culture and honestly discourse in general has some tendencies to overuse certain terms that cause them to lose their meanings.
i have a background in criminology (more cyber crime focused than anything) but i see a lot of terms like grooming, etc being applied to situations where it doesn’t always fit or we don’t have all the information. there is a risk in applying terms like that before we have all information. we’re at a crucial point in time where these words *need* to have a lot of power and impact.
Own-Importance5459 on
It doesn’t make you less of a fan to criticize and criticize your favorite celebrity, if they do something stupid either in their professional or personal lives……like you don’t have to agree with everything they say or think their romantic interest is the best thing ever…because honestly some celebs generally won’t lose sleep if your are disappointed in them.
Also we should try to be more focused on what goes on in a celebrities professional life. Cause y’all fighting over who your fav is fucking is just weird and ruins the vibe when new content comes out.
Manic-StreetCreature on
This isn’t unpopular but I’ve gotten into pointless arguments over it: the “during pride month!/oh she’s straight now/she was queerbaiting us” Jokes when a bi woman dates a man are weird and “I knew she was a lesbian!” Jokes when a bi woman dates a woman are also weird
(Specifying woman because people were weeeeeird about Billie Eilish, who’s dated men before and has never said she was a lesbian, was seen kissing a guy)
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No trend is specific to one era and just because it isn’t considered a trend anymore to you doesn’t mean anything. Let people live. Oh but people don’t like to here this.
all standoms as a whole are weird, parasocial, and annoying.
yes, even yours.
the moment pop girlie stans stop their stupid ass stan wars over people who’ll never care they exist and just allow themselves to actually enjoy music, the world would start healing.
but nah keep going twenty comments deep into an argument about your fav who’ll never know your name
Box office numbers mean nothing. I see people often trot out the numbers to try and ‘prove’ whether a movie is bad or good, and it’s always so stupid.
Going to see a movie doesn’t mean that it’s good, it just means you went to a movie. Likewise, people not flocking to see something in the cinema doesn’t make it bad – sometimes it’s bad marketing or a limited release, sometimes people are just busy and don’t have time or can’t afford to see something in the cinema right away.
Madonna was the single most consequential pop star of the 80s and 90s, because no others can claim, as she validly can, to have **herself** moved the needle on the acceptance of gay rights and other civil rights issues.
Gen Z loves to imagine her as a has-been attention seeker with no talent, but without her activism and her voice, we would not have seen the rapid shift in acceptance of gays or of interracial relationships in the US in the 90s. Perhaps **years** would have been added to the clock on those without her efforts.
The grudge towards Will Smith seems excessive. He apologized multiple times and actually seems remorseful. What more can he do? I’ve seen despicable people be forgiven for less.
We should all care about these people less
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I HATE how self-righteous some people are about celebrities/public figures. Someone will post an article about a celeb, someone else will comment a snarky “reminder” that the celeb is bigoted/abusive etc. I obviously don’t support people harming others in any way. But my God, the smug sense of self some people have.
Or when a celeb gets into controversy and SOMEONE is always there to say “I had a bad feeling about them, I’ve been side-eyeing them this whole time”. You weren’t and you didn’t. Stop.
Not every criticism of women is a smear campaign
Being an actor who refuses to break character off camera is cringe and extremely entitled. It’s not some god-tier level of acting. It’s childish and unprofessional
most criticism from fan that artists (especially the women) get isn’t actually about the criticism but really just a front to dog pile on and moralize a person they just don’t like
i.e. X is totally acceptable when A does it but when B does it its a cancellable offense because she’s a horrible person and deserves to be punished because I don’t like her
there’s nothing wrong with actually liking a pop culture thing/person a lot.Â
usually there’s discourse on “only fans like this, it’s actually bad!!!” and “stop being parasocial” (the world has lost all its meaning anyway) and “i would like this show/movie/album of ot wasn’t shoved down my throat, now i hate it”, basically a way to seem smarter than people who enjoy things. surely. there’s always valid criticism, but yucking someone’s yum and accusing then of being blind is poor etiquette to me.Â
unless you’re like stalking a celeb or whatever, there’s nothing wrong with actually enjoying their work and talking about it a lot. especially in pop culture spaces
i cannot handle blasĂ© people anymore, franklyÂ
Pop culture discourse has become an exercise in selective outrage. Misogyny doesn’t exist until you need to misuse “male gaze” to trash the pop girls.
Racism only applies when you need to find a reason to dislike someone.
If nothing else applies, that person you hate must be secretly maga.
Not everything is PR/an ad/calculated and celebrities are still people
(Yes many things are but not EVERYTHING is)
I hate that people learned the word parasocial
Wealth does not immediately rid people of personal hardship, give them the power to instantly fix social problems, or negate all shared experience with people who aren’t wealthy. There are so, SO many good criticisms of wealth and wealthy people and I’m so tired of seeing knee jerk “they’re rich so obviously they can just magically fix all their/our problems” takes
Asking celebrities questions about their personal lives in interviews is just part of the job and part of marketing their brand, not some egregious invasion of privacy they need to be rescued from. They can even lie if they want but there is no reason that people should be upset about a celebrity being asked benign personal questions like “does [celebrity significant other] enjoy spending time with your pets?”, “is marriage a hope for you in the future?”, “how old were you when you first knew you wanted to be an actor?”, “were your parents always supportive of you wanting to be an actor?” Etc.
Some of the personal stuff might seem unrelated to their talent but what makes their product sell is the ability for fans to relate to them. If all you’re willing to share about yourself is that you are a musician or an actor and that’s it, then the only people that can relate are musicians and actors and they’re probably focused on their own attempts to break into the industry. People want to know that their favorite actress loves her pet corgi and eats Taco Bell in bed on occasion, or whatever, and these personal questions are just soft-ball prompts for them to share whatever they want.
They booed me the first time I said it, and they’ll boo me again. I don’t think autographs or photographs are a must if you’re outside of work context. I think this concept of what fans are owed is a bit skewed. Admittedly I don’t think it’s an entirely simple situation, because if you’re making multimillions like yes you owe the public something, but I’m just not convinced it should necessarily involve selling out your personal autonomy.
parasocial hate is probably just as bad or worse than parasocial love. atleast parasocial stans will admit they will ass kiss their fave regardless. people who parasocial hate have this weird obsession with wanting to turn everyone against that celeb they hate and will hide behind the “bringing awareness” excuse
for example going as far as pushing damaging claims that you cannot prove about a celeb you hate IS parasocial. they’ll push that lie then call the people who call out that lie parasocial
People grow and change.
Mine is that Taylor Swift is fine. Not the greatest pop singer, not literal devil trash, just very fine with fine songs that speak to a lot of people because they hit the sweet spot of generic enough to apply to many but sincere enough to feel relatable.
I think a lot of fans queerbait themselves by deluding themselves into thinking that a celebrity or fictional character is queer based on a mix of projection and reductive homophobic stereotypes and then they get mad when their theories turn out to be wrong. A lot of it seems to come off as people believing that if they think a person/ character is queer then it must be true and now that celebrity or fictional character must be confirmed as such and if it’s not then they were manipulated.
Someone can be a horrible person and still talented in a field. For better or worse, talent is not based on morals, and someone being a horrible person doesn’t retroactively make them a terrible actor/singer/producer/athlete/etc all along.
Another thing, we gotta stop uplifting seemingly nice guy male celebrities on this huge pedestal and acting like you know everything about them. People worshipping Hudson saying “I just know he treats women well” NO YOU DONT?! That’s so parasocial and weird.
We don’t know any of these people, so exalting them for your own “headcannons” of how they are is silly.
You’re allowed to not like someone’s art without making up a reason to be morally superior to them or their fans
Random people online can’t actually “cancel” celebrities. I don’t care how many likes or reports you got. Rich and famous people can only cancel themselves by refusing to continue working.
I’m tired of this Emporer’s New Clothes at events and have a strong desire to see real fabric return. Female celebs arrive basically naked anymore if not outright. I don’t want to her nipples. I don’t want to see his nipples. It’s not groundbreaking or innovative or an expression of freedom. It’s nipples. And ass cracks. It doesn’t make me a prude to not want to see a naked person when I expect to see gowns and sharp suits.
You do need to read books, watch films, listen to music, and consume art for grownups. You can still enjoy your favourite YA series or childhood band or whatever, but you cannot let your taste stagnate, and you have to push yourself recreationally sometimes too
A charitable donation being a tax break doesn’t mean it’s insincere and frankly charitable organizations desperately need the donations that are prompted only for the tax benefits.
Also things being a charitable or business write off doesn’t mean it’s free money
Cheating is not on the same level as harassment, abuse, bigotry, or anything of that ilk. I remember after an actor died one of the top comments was about how he cheated on his former wife and it was fucking absurd that a life was being reduced to that. And I say this whose parents split up in large part because of infidelity. At a certain point something like that has to be allowed to be in the rear view mirror and not trotted out the way truly abusive or racist shit is.
One day, one day, people will stop using twitter as the place where opinions are treated as fact or valid. Stan twitter is just cruel and full of negativity. Yet, people will still act as if stan twitter=general public opinion and it does not.
pop culture and honestly discourse in general has some tendencies to overuse certain terms that cause them to lose their meanings.
i have a background in criminology (more cyber crime focused than anything) but i see a lot of terms like grooming, etc being applied to situations where it doesn’t always fit or we don’t have all the information. there is a risk in applying terms like that before we have all information. we’re at a crucial point in time where these words *need* to have a lot of power and impact.
It doesn’t make you less of a fan to criticize and criticize your favorite celebrity, if they do something stupid either in their professional or personal lives……like you don’t have to agree with everything they say or think their romantic interest is the best thing ever…because honestly some celebs generally won’t lose sleep if your are disappointed in them.
Also we should try to be more focused on what goes on in a celebrities professional life. Cause y’all fighting over who your fav is fucking is just weird and ruins the vibe when new content comes out.
This isn’t unpopular but I’ve gotten into pointless arguments over it: the “during pride month!/oh she’s straight now/she was queerbaiting us” Jokes when a bi woman dates a man are weird and “I knew she was a lesbian!” Jokes when a bi woman dates a woman are also weird
(Specifying woman because people were weeeeeird about Billie Eilish, who’s dated men before and has never said she was a lesbian, was seen kissing a guy)