On one hand she’s right, but on the other hand if you are going to preach “be who you want to be” it sucks to put down women who want to lose their weight.
gissna on
I have complicated feelings about this because I believe that Ashley Graham would be on GLP-1ās if having a slightly larger than Hollywood-average body wasnāt her entire brand.
justherefor23andme on
If people have diabetes, high cholesterol, fatty liver and have not had much luck losing weight without drugs, it’s none of our business to judge. Because unfortunately for lots of people, heavier bodies are indicative of illness. I have personal experience with this. I NEVER had normal cholesterol level until my weight got to a size where I could fit into a size 4. And I needed medical help for that.
WhTFoxsays on
Love her ā¤ļø
-this_bitch- on
We really group everyone on GLP-1s all in one group and it needs to stop.
Most of us on it chose it because it makes life so so much easier to be able to eat healthy without fighting the addiction of sugar and junk food or overeating.
My sleep has improved. My back and hip pain has improved a ton. My skin looks better. I have more energy. Iām able to address my stress eating much easier and learn healthier coping mechanisms. Those are just some of the benefits Iāve had.
Edit: lol at the weirdo that sent me a reddit cares because I said I sleep better and have better skin and mental health. I go to therapy weekly and regularly try to prioritize my mental health so Iām way ahead of you and Iāve been so much happier since Iāve started doing that. You tried š¤·āāļøš or maybe you should try?
saygirlie on
Hot take: I donāt think body positivity was ever a thing. Even if someone was overweight and celebrated in the media, they were overweight in āthe right wayā. They either still had great overall proportions, a stunning face, etc.
Average day to day overweight people were still being ridiculed.
KiKi_VavouV on
LEGIT
GypsyNinja18 on
I saw her interviewing Hugh Grant on a red carpet a few years back and he was so mean to her in the most bizarre and brutal way. It was so awkward and I have no idea what caused it. I still think about it at least a few times a year. Does anyone know why he was so c**ty with her?
legrandreve1111 on
This is SO disappointing!! Hearing teen women talk about being unhealthy and not eating for the first time in 10 years working with teens Iām getting flashbacks to my high school years.
beautybeliever on
this is such a pivotal and terrible place to grow up in as a girl. a rock and a hard place. on one hand, we know disordered eating now, we are familiar with her, we have seen her. on the other, we are (now, for reasons maybe we should interrogate) learning about inner health, our cholesterol, our heart etc. there needs to be a balance between our health where we can talk about healthy eating without skin pinching and size shaming, and talk about mental health without hiding behind medical intervention or smothering mental health practices with drugs.
I was a kid on antidepressants back in the day. the #1 thing they would tell us and our parents was this was supplemental, and we need therapy alongside drug treatment. so much of this is mental health being mirrored by the body. we need healthy minds as well as bodies, and we need to be able to talk openly about how we get set up so much to rely on medicine without mental health support to create healthy mental habits as well.
I was also on medication that suppressed my appetite as a kid without knowing properly what the consequences of that were. I lost so much weight before realizing that because I had no appetite, I needed to consciously be careful to feed myself. and it gave me horrible issues with eating, compounded with a lot of other things in my life, that could have been helpful to sort out with a therapist alongside my medication.
this seesaw teeter of health is so difficult to navigate, I really wish we could get back to tackling issues like this from both fronts, have your whole medical team up to date on mental and physical health, and having a complete and cohesive health care system.
magicalfolk on
The standard of beauty fluctuates. We were in the BBL era and now back to waif thin. As long as a person is healthy and happy with their weight / body we should be accepting and not pass judgement. I would rather put pressure on things like universal health care so everyone gets access to healthcare and low prices for medications ( big pharma needs to die), low prices on healthy foods and equal access to healthy foods, that will help people be healthier and happier. A lot of the weight issues we see are a symptom of systemic issues within our healthcare, food production and distribution.
Meme_Pope on
*āNah, we were just saying that shitā*
– People with access to Ozempic
Odd_Ingenuity2883 on
I really resent the notion that using GLP-1 drugs means youāre no longer body positive. I like the way I look. I can look in the mirror and feel good about myself. My self worth isnāt lower because of my weight, I donāt think I deserve less respect because I weigh more.
But at the same time, I can be concerned about my health. I want to get pregnant in a year or two and a little more weight loss would dramatically decrease my chances of complications. Why does that mean Iām not body positive?
SadisticGoose on
I kind of get where sheās coming from. Iām overweight, but my insurance doesnāt cover GLP-1s and I canāt afford to pay out of pocket. I constantly get told to try them, and trust me I would if money werenāt an issue. Now I just get treated badly because I canāt do the āeasyā fix even though Iād like to. It went from āyou arenāt dieting/exercising enoughā to āyou arenāt on the right meds.ā Itās just a different flavor of āyou have no excuse for being overweight.ā
Deep-Sample7451 on
i do find it fucking insane to see serena williams, one of the most elite athletes of our time, pitching fucking glp-1s to me. like wtf
but body positivity is a dumb concept. body neutrality is the goal.
dreamghoulevil on
no one can have a normal opinion about this but the fact is that things are horrid for anyone who isnāt losing weight nowadays because āyou have no excuse nowā. itās worse than in the 2000s bc then at least some people understood it wasnāt possible for everyone to be a size 00.
sorry i donāt have 1k a month to spend on an injection and i donāt totally hate my body even if itās big, i guess.
tomato_soup_stan on
Canāt I just be a woman with a body? Do I have to have especially positive or negative feelings about that body? Can I seek to change certain aspects of my body without it being a referendum on capitalism and gender? Can I please just have a fucking body?
my_okay_throwaway on
I suspect I may get downvoted for this, but Iāve tried and really fail to understand the logic of how the personal choices of those whoāve chosen to take GLP-1s automatically have to live in conflict with body positivity. I understand there are some extreme cases of people abusing the meds, and thatās not okay, but it feels like thereās a lot of disdain for these meds in general and Iām not sure I get it. This is coming from someone whoās struggled with my weight and had fluctuations throughout my life btw.
Nobody is forcing anyone to take these meds. They are elective and they come with consequences. They can be quite expensive and, often for best results, come with the work of major lifestyle changes. That is a personal decision that any grown adult should be allowed to make if they want to. Maybe Iām ignorant, but to me some of the voices about this in the various body positivity movements start to sound similar to those who speak about wanting to the remove the choices for other personal medical choices.
I know people like Ashley Graham often feel the need to make a statement about things like this but it would be good for her to remember that those who choose to take these meds (or lose weight, or go on a diet, etc.) do not automatically silence the voices of those who donāt make the same choices.
In the end, wasnāt a major point of body positivity to be accepting of both the uncontrollable factors _and_ personal choices that go into someoneās appearance?
skull-dog on
What’s worse is following plus size girlies with autoimmune disorders like yours which make it very hard to physically move around and even they get ozempic and become noticably thinner in only a few months and it makes you feel like you’re hallucinating until one day their niche magically changes š
Unable_Mushroom9355 on
I honestly don’t think she’s criticizing people who want to lose weight (and she definitely is not criticizing people who use it for medical conditions like Diabetes). **She’s criticizing fatphobia**. A few years ago, the body positivity movement tried to normalize and celebrate larger bodies. She is observing that now, with the popularity of GLP-1s, you see a lot more people displaying outward disgust and discrimination towards people with larger bodies. I’ve seen this both in real life and on the internet. People are using “fat” as an insult a lot more than they were back then (and getting less pushback for doing so). Pro-Ana internet communities are regaining popularity. It’s very concerning.
Granted, she may be incorrect in attributing all of that to GLP-1 popularity. That may be part of it, but I think the rise in facism is contributing as well. That’s the same reason you’re starting to see people use the r-slur again. There’s a general societal normalization of exclusion and cruelty.
wonderj99 on
Policing women’s bodies and keeping them deathly frail/thin makes them much easier to control
basic_bitch on
I was casually scrolling reels and there was a glp-1 ad with a selfie of a woman with the caption above her āI used to constantly think about food. Yesterday I forgot to eat.ā So based on that what are they trying to sell me? Healthier habits or an eating disorder?
jaguarsp0tted on
**There was *never*, at any point, a push for body acceptance in the western world. Ever. Thinness has always been the standard and celebrated and fatness has always been punished. It was like that then and it’s like that now. Everyone needs to internalize the fact that this “body positivity” movement of the 2010s was a marketing scheme to sell an idea of progress while keeping everyone in the same box.**
Fat liberation is the ***ONLY*** way forward. Actual complete fat liberation. Until fatness is no longer an axis of discrimination, until fatness stops being punished, until fatness is normalized, until fatness stops being seen as a moral failure, we will continue to see thinness and especially extreme thinness perpetuated as the Ideal Body. And yes, I said NORMALIZED. It is FINE to be fat. Fat people are not bad people, they are not FAILED people. And don’t say “but I just want people to be healthy”, because you would understand that body diversity is a natural part of existing and that some people are just fat.
And unhealthy people aren’t failed people, either. There is no circumstance on earth that should end in the revocation of your personhood.
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On one hand she’s right, but on the other hand if you are going to preach “be who you want to be” it sucks to put down women who want to lose their weight.
I have complicated feelings about this because I believe that Ashley Graham would be on GLP-1ās if having a slightly larger than Hollywood-average body wasnāt her entire brand.
If people have diabetes, high cholesterol, fatty liver and have not had much luck losing weight without drugs, it’s none of our business to judge. Because unfortunately for lots of people, heavier bodies are indicative of illness. I have personal experience with this. I NEVER had normal cholesterol level until my weight got to a size where I could fit into a size 4. And I needed medical help for that.
Love her ā¤ļø
We really group everyone on GLP-1s all in one group and it needs to stop.
Most of us on it chose it because it makes life so so much easier to be able to eat healthy without fighting the addiction of sugar and junk food or overeating.
My sleep has improved. My back and hip pain has improved a ton. My skin looks better. I have more energy. Iām able to address my stress eating much easier and learn healthier coping mechanisms. Those are just some of the benefits Iāve had.
Edit: lol at the weirdo that sent me a reddit cares because I said I sleep better and have better skin and mental health. I go to therapy weekly and regularly try to prioritize my mental health so Iām way ahead of you and Iāve been so much happier since Iāve started doing that. You tried š¤·āāļøš or maybe you should try?
Hot take: I donāt think body positivity was ever a thing. Even if someone was overweight and celebrated in the media, they were overweight in āthe right wayā. They either still had great overall proportions, a stunning face, etc.
Average day to day overweight people were still being ridiculed.
LEGIT
I saw her interviewing Hugh Grant on a red carpet a few years back and he was so mean to her in the most bizarre and brutal way. It was so awkward and I have no idea what caused it. I still think about it at least a few times a year. Does anyone know why he was so c**ty with her?
This is SO disappointing!! Hearing teen women talk about being unhealthy and not eating for the first time in 10 years working with teens Iām getting flashbacks to my high school years.
this is such a pivotal and terrible place to grow up in as a girl. a rock and a hard place. on one hand, we know disordered eating now, we are familiar with her, we have seen her. on the other, we are (now, for reasons maybe we should interrogate) learning about inner health, our cholesterol, our heart etc. there needs to be a balance between our health where we can talk about healthy eating without skin pinching and size shaming, and talk about mental health without hiding behind medical intervention or smothering mental health practices with drugs.
I was a kid on antidepressants back in the day. the #1 thing they would tell us and our parents was this was supplemental, and we need therapy alongside drug treatment. so much of this is mental health being mirrored by the body. we need healthy minds as well as bodies, and we need to be able to talk openly about how we get set up so much to rely on medicine without mental health support to create healthy mental habits as well.
I was also on medication that suppressed my appetite as a kid without knowing properly what the consequences of that were. I lost so much weight before realizing that because I had no appetite, I needed to consciously be careful to feed myself. and it gave me horrible issues with eating, compounded with a lot of other things in my life, that could have been helpful to sort out with a therapist alongside my medication.
this seesaw teeter of health is so difficult to navigate, I really wish we could get back to tackling issues like this from both fronts, have your whole medical team up to date on mental and physical health, and having a complete and cohesive health care system.
The standard of beauty fluctuates. We were in the BBL era and now back to waif thin. As long as a person is healthy and happy with their weight / body we should be accepting and not pass judgement. I would rather put pressure on things like universal health care so everyone gets access to healthcare and low prices for medications ( big pharma needs to die), low prices on healthy foods and equal access to healthy foods, that will help people be healthier and happier. A lot of the weight issues we see are a symptom of systemic issues within our healthcare, food production and distribution.
*āNah, we were just saying that shitā*
– People with access to Ozempic
I really resent the notion that using GLP-1 drugs means youāre no longer body positive. I like the way I look. I can look in the mirror and feel good about myself. My self worth isnāt lower because of my weight, I donāt think I deserve less respect because I weigh more.
But at the same time, I can be concerned about my health. I want to get pregnant in a year or two and a little more weight loss would dramatically decrease my chances of complications. Why does that mean Iām not body positive?
I kind of get where sheās coming from. Iām overweight, but my insurance doesnāt cover GLP-1s and I canāt afford to pay out of pocket. I constantly get told to try them, and trust me I would if money werenāt an issue. Now I just get treated badly because I canāt do the āeasyā fix even though Iād like to. It went from āyou arenāt dieting/exercising enoughā to āyou arenāt on the right meds.ā Itās just a different flavor of āyou have no excuse for being overweight.ā
i do find it fucking insane to see serena williams, one of the most elite athletes of our time, pitching fucking glp-1s to me. like wtf
but body positivity is a dumb concept. body neutrality is the goal.
no one can have a normal opinion about this but the fact is that things are horrid for anyone who isnāt losing weight nowadays because āyou have no excuse nowā. itās worse than in the 2000s bc then at least some people understood it wasnāt possible for everyone to be a size 00.
sorry i donāt have 1k a month to spend on an injection and i donāt totally hate my body even if itās big, i guess.
Canāt I just be a woman with a body? Do I have to have especially positive or negative feelings about that body? Can I seek to change certain aspects of my body without it being a referendum on capitalism and gender? Can I please just have a fucking body?
I suspect I may get downvoted for this, but Iāve tried and really fail to understand the logic of how the personal choices of those whoāve chosen to take GLP-1s automatically have to live in conflict with body positivity. I understand there are some extreme cases of people abusing the meds, and thatās not okay, but it feels like thereās a lot of disdain for these meds in general and Iām not sure I get it. This is coming from someone whoās struggled with my weight and had fluctuations throughout my life btw.
Nobody is forcing anyone to take these meds. They are elective and they come with consequences. They can be quite expensive and, often for best results, come with the work of major lifestyle changes. That is a personal decision that any grown adult should be allowed to make if they want to. Maybe Iām ignorant, but to me some of the voices about this in the various body positivity movements start to sound similar to those who speak about wanting to the remove the choices for other personal medical choices.
I know people like Ashley Graham often feel the need to make a statement about things like this but it would be good for her to remember that those who choose to take these meds (or lose weight, or go on a diet, etc.) do not automatically silence the voices of those who donāt make the same choices.
In the end, wasnāt a major point of body positivity to be accepting of both the uncontrollable factors _and_ personal choices that go into someoneās appearance?
What’s worse is following plus size girlies with autoimmune disorders like yours which make it very hard to physically move around and even they get ozempic and become noticably thinner in only a few months and it makes you feel like you’re hallucinating until one day their niche magically changes š
I honestly don’t think she’s criticizing people who want to lose weight (and she definitely is not criticizing people who use it for medical conditions like Diabetes). **She’s criticizing fatphobia**. A few years ago, the body positivity movement tried to normalize and celebrate larger bodies. She is observing that now, with the popularity of GLP-1s, you see a lot more people displaying outward disgust and discrimination towards people with larger bodies. I’ve seen this both in real life and on the internet. People are using “fat” as an insult a lot more than they were back then (and getting less pushback for doing so). Pro-Ana internet communities are regaining popularity. It’s very concerning.
Granted, she may be incorrect in attributing all of that to GLP-1 popularity. That may be part of it, but I think the rise in facism is contributing as well. That’s the same reason you’re starting to see people use the r-slur again. There’s a general societal normalization of exclusion and cruelty.
Policing women’s bodies and keeping them deathly frail/thin makes them much easier to control
I was casually scrolling reels and there was a glp-1 ad with a selfie of a woman with the caption above her āI used to constantly think about food. Yesterday I forgot to eat.ā So based on that what are they trying to sell me? Healthier habits or an eating disorder?
**There was *never*, at any point, a push for body acceptance in the western world. Ever. Thinness has always been the standard and celebrated and fatness has always been punished. It was like that then and it’s like that now. Everyone needs to internalize the fact that this “body positivity” movement of the 2010s was a marketing scheme to sell an idea of progress while keeping everyone in the same box.**
Fat liberation is the ***ONLY*** way forward. Actual complete fat liberation. Until fatness is no longer an axis of discrimination, until fatness stops being punished, until fatness is normalized, until fatness stops being seen as a moral failure, we will continue to see thinness and especially extreme thinness perpetuated as the Ideal Body. And yes, I said NORMALIZED. It is FINE to be fat. Fat people are not bad people, they are not FAILED people. And don’t say “but I just want people to be healthy”, because you would understand that body diversity is a natural part of existing and that some people are just fat.
And unhealthy people aren’t failed people, either. There is no circumstance on earth that should end in the revocation of your personhood.